Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/09/10/charlie-kirks-shooting-terrible-moment-american-democracy/

Political violence on the rise.

People are getting angry when people have Political views they don't agree with. Freedom of speech must be allowed not shutdown.

Tragic news of a young family man shot by someone today. Please remember he was a human with a family. Violence is never ok.

Great. I will remember it when it gets round to talking about Islamophobia, specifically

ETA: whenever antisemitism is called out, its classed as silencing speech. I can carry on calling people hypocrites.

There is a gulf of difference between thinking the act is defensible and thinking it is bitterly ironic.
There was a school shooting yesterday btw.

She was wearing a short skirt.

I fear the point is going over your head...

Fatal shootings are "one of those things" if you have permissive firearm laws like the US does - it's Kirk, not the PP, who argued those murders (including school shootings) were acceptable collateral damage for his right to own a gun.

If you advocate for something, dismissing people's deaths as being an acceptable side effect, why expect that you wont be among the victims?

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Do you want to start the let's see who can find the most disturbing SM posts?

You have no idea about my opinion on other acts of political violence. I'm appalled by all of it FYI.

Charlie Kirk expressed his opinions very publicly, they were only "divisive" with people who disagreed with him. You are arguing that expressing an opinion other people may not like is deliberately putting yourself in harms way in the same way that misogynists think what a woman was wearing made her the target of a rapist. Both are disgusting victim blaming so save your fake outrage about the comparison. You thought the man had it coming and you said so.

Nothing has gone over my head. I know what's being used as justification, by the same posters. Do you remember Sasha Johnson?

Are you seriously saying that you should not be held accountable for your hate speech because other people do bad, possibly worse things? Should Kirk's killer be excused as he only killed one person (possibly) when others have killed more people than them?

Ah fuck where have those goal posts gone?

I thought you couldn't remember the right doing it.

Not that the right did it but the left did it worse.

Yeah if you want to find me a post from a serving senator mocking yesterday's murder I'll denounce it too, no problem.

I'm not sure what point you're making re. Sasha Johnson.

To most (particularly on the left), no gun related murders are acceptable, Kirk's included. But the 11,000+ gun deaths that occurred in the US last year were, in the context of gun control, acceptable to Kirk.

Wonder if she had it coming? Spent her life tirelessly fighting racism to be shot in the head by black men.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/22/sasha-johnson-shooting-case-against-four-men-collapses

The relevance to SJ is that she reminded white people of their 'privilege'. She wasn't shot by a white man. See how sick this fuck around and find out game is?

I think there are some people who play a huge role in ruining the world and making it more dangerous for everyone, themselves included.

Hoist on his own petard. Much as was the case for trump although of course he survived.

The US has been heading along this path for years, and the maga movement has stoked the furnace to the point of explosion.

There will be much more violence to come.

Charlie Kirk expressed antisemitic views and defended Musk when he did.
Amongst other odious views.
Again, none of that means he should have been shot.

He blamed Hamas for a massacre, something which any right minded individual would do.

Nope. Because the guy may have supported gun ownership but he did not shoot anybody afaik.

He used his words. He wasn’t talked to death but shot.

It seems a problem to me that people do not understand this simple difference between ideas and actions.

I'm sure the short skirt scenario has plenty of mileage left in it. Classic that some women spend their time trying to (rightfully) stamp out misogony that they forget their own moral compass. Bit like the Dems blaming Trump for US violence rather than looking inwardly.

Nope.
Same way Kirk didn't have it coming.

Being a racist shit stirrer shouldn't equal the death penalty.

His murder should not be celebrated and isn't justified.
His actions during his life can still be criticized and people don't have to pretend to mourn him and can point out that he showed similar lack of sympathy in the aftermath of other families suffering tragedy.

I struggle to give a fuck about this guy’s death.

He’d understand of course:

”I can't stand empathy. I think empathy is a made-up, New Age term that — it does a lot of damage, but it is very effective when it comes to politics”

Good job those goal posts are easily movable isn't it? So to use your reasoning, SJ can be criticised for race baiting. Got it.

Yes correct he did- sorry not clear what that has to do with the antisemitic views he shared and defended though?

Thiught this was another thread

Hear hear

I doubt his killer will be excused. Hopefully they face the death penalty.