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Freedom of speech isn't tolerated by some

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WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 22:58

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2025/09/10/charlie-kirks-shooting-terrible-moment-american-democracy/

Political violence on the rise.

People are getting angry when people have Political views they don't agree with. Freedom of speech must be allowed not shutdown.

Tragic news of a young family man shot by someone today. Please remember he was a human with a family. Violence is never ok.

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SapphOhNo · 10/09/2025 23:18

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Bagsintheboot · 10/09/2025 23:18

One wonders if, had he possession of a crystal ball, he would still have thought "a few deaths" were an acceptable trade off for the right to own powerful weaponry, knowing that he would be counted among those unlucky few.

Sadly it will be his poor wife and children who have to live with the consequences. No-one should be shot for their views in a civilised country.

1dayatatime · 10/09/2025 23:19

I was also quite shocked by the fact that two other threads on Charlie Kirk had to be taken down by MN for unacceptable comments.

There really are some sick people out there.

Thoughts go out to his wife and their two young children.

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WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:19

Vivi0 · 10/09/2025 23:17

Not quite what he said.

He conceded, in a debate, that lives would ultimately be lost as a result of the right to bear arms.

The right to bear arms isn’t exactly a radical viewpoint to an American.

It’s terribly tragic especially for his young children having had to witness this, but let’s be honest here, when people talk about freedom of speech what they generally mean is that they should be allowed to hold and express any abhorrent views they choose without consequence.

Surely though, we should be able to express our views (no matter how abhorrent people find them) without being murdered for them? I don’t think death should be a consequence of freedom of speech.

Do you?

He was as entitled to his opinions and views and to share those opinions and views as I am and as you are. And to not be murdered for them.

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Agree

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hamstersarse · 10/09/2025 23:19

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 10/09/2025 23:04

Ah yes. This is the man who stated in 2023 that lives need to be lost as part of America’s need to bear arms.

It’s terribly tragic especially for his young children having had to witness this, but let’s be honest here, when people talk about freedom of speech what they generally mean is that they should be allowed to hold and express any abhorrent views they choose without consequence.

Who decides what is abhorrent?

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 10/09/2025 23:19

WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:17

I don't believe he was a supporter of gun violence. He was talking about the rise in shootings by young trans people, ge wasn't supporting the incidents. Is it not possible for you to pause and realise he didn't deserve this.

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Google it. In 2023 he said that gun deaths were worth it to keep the second amendment.

sleepwouldbenice · 10/09/2025 23:20

I didn't agree with his views at all. But of course he should have the right to say them and this is abhorrent. I am glad I am not on social media platforms which allow the shooting to be circulated

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 23:21

1dayatatime · 10/09/2025 23:19

I was also quite shocked by the fact that two other threads on Charlie Kirk had to be taken down by MN for unacceptable comments.

There really are some sick people out there.

Thoughts go out to his wife and their two young children.

Hear hear.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 23:22

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 10/09/2025 23:19

Google it. In 2023 he said that gun deaths were worth it to keep the second amendment.

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So what?

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WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:22

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 23:18

You know which way this thread is going to go. The Charlie thread was one of the most disturbing blood feed frenzies I've seen. The bottom line is, you are a fascist if you are intolerant of other political opinions.

Agreeing surprised at people appearing to think this is a consequence of having views they don't agree with.

What's wrong with people. Killing him as a politician on the right or a politician on the left is wrong.

Free speech must be upheld.

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Bagsintheboot · 10/09/2025 23:22

WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:13

The issue he was discussing when he was killed was trans gender gun violence due the increase in trans gender gun violence.

We don't know who killed him but come on killing someone for a different view is never right.

No, the issue he was discussing was the number of gun deaths. He had just been asked a question as to how many there had been and he responded "including gang violence or not?"

The transgender related question was some time before the shooting.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 23:23

WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:22

Agreeing surprised at people appearing to think this is a consequence of having views they don't agree with.

What's wrong with people. Killing him as a politician on the right or a politician on the left is wrong.

Free speech must be upheld.

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I often wonder if members of Antifa are on this forum. I am being serious after what I witnessed tonight.

BollyKnickerz · 10/09/2025 23:24

MidnightPatrol · 10/09/2025 23:01

I think it is important to emphasise however that the US isn’t the UK and they face different problems to us.

Terribly sad for this man and his family.

The UK doesn’t have the same gun violence issue as the US.

This is a very important point. People talk like we're brother and sister with the US. Culturally they are nothing like us! Literally nothing like us. We're both first world countries with relative wealth , but culturally? Nothing like the UK.

We're more similar to France /Germany

JaniceBattersby · 10/09/2025 23:24

We have no idea why he was killed, or of the ideology of the gunman. This might be absolutely nothing to do with free speech.

I am so sorry for his poor family.

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WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:25

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 23:21

Hear hear.

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2 threads? Oh dear, explains some of the comments. What's wrong with people.

Family man is brutally murdered and because some views are the same as others its not ok he was shot.

The ones with the sick views obviously don't see him as human.

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cassandre · 10/09/2025 23:25

He didn't advocate gun violence, but he absolutely opposed restrictions on gun control.

So yes, his death is ironic. Not ethically justifiable, but ironic. He supported the idea that guns should be carried by members of the general public, even on university campuses.

dapsnotplimsolls · 10/09/2025 23:25

I was wondering why there wasn't a thread, now realised threads have been removed.

I disagreed on most of what he had to say but he didn't deserve this.

I fear that there will be people seeking revenge.

Dangermoos · 10/09/2025 23:27

WhatNextBanana · 10/09/2025 23:25

2 threads? Oh dear, explains some of the comments. What's wrong with people.

Family man is brutally murdered and because some views are the same as others its not ok he was shot.

The ones with the sick views obviously don't see him as human.

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Plenty of hypocrites were out in force on those threads.

ThisLemonHare · 10/09/2025 23:27

when people talk about freedom of speech what they generally mean is that they should be allowed to hold and express any abhorrent views they choose without consequence.

This is literally the definition of free speech. We should all defend the expression of views without consequence. Irrespective of whether we find them abhorrent.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 10/09/2025 23:27

Some of his views absolutely sickened me however I uphold his right to hold and express them without the fear of violence. What's happened is abhorrent. My thoughts are with his family

SumUp · 10/09/2025 23:29

Trump’s presidency has ushered in an era of political violence in the US. He has fanned the flames of hatred, dehumanisation and intolerance, and this kind of thing is the result.

inamarina · 10/09/2025 23:30

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 10/09/2025 23:15

I 100% agree with you that killing people for having opposing views is wrong, and most people would, but I think the point people are making here is that HE wouldn't agree with you. He's (or was) part of the problem.

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Are you really saying that he wouldn’t agree that killing people for having opposing views is wrong?

Linenpickle · 10/09/2025 23:31

This world lacks common sense. What’s next… someone gets stabbed because they disagree with someone claiming they are a fucking cat?

YankSplaining · 10/09/2025 23:31

BollyKnickerz · 10/09/2025 23:24

This is a very important point. People talk like we're brother and sister with the US. Culturally they are nothing like us! Literally nothing like us. We're both first world countries with relative wealth , but culturally? Nothing like the UK.

We're more similar to France /Germany

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Yes, “literally nothing” like you. Because we’re not both democracies with similar judicial systems, and we don’t speak the same language, and we don’t consume each other’s arts and pop culture as a matter of course, and the US has become a completely different species - genus and species! - from the UK, merely 250 years since the original thirteen states were British colonies.

Quit making statements that are so hyperbolic that they make you sound more ignorant than I’m sure you really are.