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Anti immigration and England being 'racist'

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AngryBird6122 · 10/09/2025 10:59

Do people know that this is not just a UK thing? I see so many people saying they are ashamed to be british etc but this is happening the world over. And it can work both ways! I have close family in Japan and there are protests there too and they are being treated very differently - yes, white english! The right are gaining traction there too. Are the Japanese allowed to be proud of their country and fly their flags? What's people's thoughts on this?

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ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 21:47

KhakiTiger · 10/09/2025 11:15

Mass immigration and uncontrolled borders are not a good thing. There is nothing racist about that.

You can add all the fluff to try and label people as racist, it doesn’t work anymore. And you are not doing any favors to race relations by being in denial.

You have to really question the motives of people who want mass immigration. What do they hope to achieve?

Idinnaenah · 10/09/2025 21:47

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 21:47

You have to really question the motives of people who want mass immigration. What do they hope to achieve?

And where are they??? I have yet to come across any.

KTheGrey · 10/09/2025 21:50

2dogsandabudgie · 10/09/2025 17:22

@KTheGrey - Drinking, fighting and swearing - I thought that was the Scots.

To be fair the Welsh and the Irish can also give the English a run for their money on these. Drinking certainly gets moodier as you drift North - the Italians and the Spanish are much less inclined to get drunk.

Apparently our swearing is pretty lightweight compared to the Russian stuff, which is a whole sub language unto itself and can start a fight by its use alone.

suburburban · 10/09/2025 22:06

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 10/09/2025 20:00

It's an interesting question whether the left in other countries is so willing to view their countries history in such purely negative terms and beat their collective breasts with mea culpa despite the fact that the majority of people at the time of these historical wrongs neither had the vote or were anything other than servants or potentially workers with notions above their station that needed to be taught a lesson by the ruling classes.

Yes and I’m sure some of the people in the Nations of colonialism also benefited from it however much the narrative pretends they didn’t

I wasn’t alive and I’m sick of being made to feel I should feel guilty about it

KTheGrey · 10/09/2025 22:07

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 17:32

But a lot of these features are also Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish- especially rugby and JK Rowling! Also free parks and museums, pop music, drinking tea....

I mean, how much of what you have just listed as English is not found in the other 3 nations of Great Britain?

Pretty sure JKR was born and maybe even educated in England. Rugby is named after the English school it originated from. Just because the Welsh adopted it - so have the Italians, it remains a product of English culture because that’s where it started.

I notice you are now arguing English culture is not exclusive, however, since other countries have joined in.

Not only is English culture massive, it’s enriched the world immensely.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:12

suburburban · 10/09/2025 22:06

Yes and I’m sure some of the people in the Nations of colonialism also benefited from it however much the narrative pretends they didn’t

I wasn’t alive and I’m sick of being made to feel I should feel guilty about it

Oh yeah, "we gave them railways". Lol 🤦‍♀️

But nobody's making you feel guilty- why on earth should you, that's ridiculous!

Don't feel guilty- but also don't be a dick about it. Simples. 🤷‍♀️

suburburban · 10/09/2025 22:15

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:12

Oh yeah, "we gave them railways". Lol 🤦‍♀️

But nobody's making you feel guilty- why on earth should you, that's ridiculous!

Don't feel guilty- but also don't be a dick about it. Simples. 🤷‍♀️

No I meant I’m sure some of the citizens in the Empire abroad also accumulated wealth as well

doesn’t make me a “dick” thank you

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:19

EmeraldRoulette · 10/09/2025 20:35

@crackofdoom There aren't any protests with that name

How would you know about the criminal record records of people peacefully protesting by the way?

Could you give me a specific example of what you're talking about?

I keep hearing people citing figures from arrests during last year's riots and extrapolating them to protests. That makes absolutely no sense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours

Operation Raise the Colours - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Raise_the_Colours

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:21

I think the reason that it is particularly galling to be anti immigration in the UK is because of the empire. Britain spent many, many years raping and pillaging other lands, and it feels a bit rich for the UK to now decide that immigration is bad. Particularly when a lot of the people that are applying for asylum or coming through other routes are from countries that were either invaded by the UK or destabilised by the UK for whatever reason. I saw someone just today banging on about “Sharia law” on the street and it made me wonder how all the millions of people in all the countries that the UK invaded and imposed its judicial system, language, culture and laws would have felt. I mean, just go to Belfast and Dublin and ask the people there for a start…

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:23

suburburban · 10/09/2025 22:06

Yes and I’m sure some of the people in the Nations of colonialism also benefited from it however much the narrative pretends they didn’t

I wasn’t alive and I’m sick of being made to feel I should feel guilty about it

I’m so sorry that your feelings are hurt. That must be so painful for you. I’m sure the millions of people who are still suffering as a direct result of Britain’s colonialism will weep for you.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:31

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:23

I’m so sorry that your feelings are hurt. That must be so painful for you. I’m sure the millions of people who are still suffering as a direct result of Britain’s colonialism will weep for you.

Who are the people suffering?

Xmasbows · 10/09/2025 22:32

It’s I honestly don’t know why this country is so rubbish, it’s like whatever the government they can’t organise a p*ss up in a brewery. They should have overhauled the immigration system years ago. They don’t know what they want…if it’s to boost our population by allowing illegals in then they should process people quickly and let them get to work rather than trapping them
within hotels. If it’s tighter controls / disincentives they shouldn’t have scrapped the Rwanda scheme. They basically don’t want to do anything / make any decisions.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:33

I notice you are now arguing English culture is not exclusive, however, since other countries have joined in

Sorry, what does that even mean?.

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:36

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:31

Who are the people suffering?

https://www.ft.com/content/1792a0c0-cf47-11e1-a1ae-00144feabdc0

These people, just as one example.

Client Challenge

https://www.ft.com/content/1792a0c0-cf47-11e1-a1ae-00144feabdc0

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:39

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:21

I think the reason that it is particularly galling to be anti immigration in the UK is because of the empire. Britain spent many, many years raping and pillaging other lands, and it feels a bit rich for the UK to now decide that immigration is bad. Particularly when a lot of the people that are applying for asylum or coming through other routes are from countries that were either invaded by the UK or destabilised by the UK for whatever reason. I saw someone just today banging on about “Sharia law” on the street and it made me wonder how all the millions of people in all the countries that the UK invaded and imposed its judicial system, language, culture and laws would have felt. I mean, just go to Belfast and Dublin and ask the people there for a start…

Good luck with selling that logic to convince people LOL

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:40

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13044974

This one probably works better. But basically, there are Kenyans still alive who were raped and castrated by British soldiers in internment camps.

BBC News

British Mau Mau abuse papers revealed

The first set of previously secret papers alleging abuse of Kenyans 50 years ago by British forces are released by the High Court in London.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13044974

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:42

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:36

That says 3 people, not 3 million.

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:44

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:31

Who are the people suffering?

You’re not serious are you? Because this stuff is taught in schools. Like I said, start with Ireland, then look up partition (India, Pakistan and Bangladesh), the treaty of Lausanne that led to further destabilisation of the Middle East, apartheid, the Iraq “war” etc etc.

ClarenceH · 10/09/2025 22:44

R0ckandHardPlace · 10/09/2025 13:41

I agree. Ironically, if any ‘foreign’ culture has influenced our own over the past century, I’d say it’s that of the United States, but nobody seems to feel threatened by that.

I say this all the time! So much of our culture has been impacted by the US - food, music, fashion, language. I cringe every time a Brit says 'season' rather than 'series' 😂!

Following on from the original post, I lived in Tokyo 25 years ago and there was lots of talk then about gaijin (a term that means outsiders) eroding the culture then so it's nothing new. It's the same over here. Every few years there will be a furore about not being able to display flags or that Muslims want Christmas or Easter banned. It fires certain people up who feel their rights are being eroded. Research shows these moral panics are usually created by politicians to distract from other issues.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:44

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:40

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13044974

This one probably works better. But basically, there are Kenyans still alive who were raped and castrated by British soldiers in internment camps.

Where are the millions?

crackofdoom · 10/09/2025 22:44

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:42

That says 3 people, not 3 million.

You are aware of the meaning of the phrase "just one example", yes?

As it is, these three men are suing the UK government, but they are among the survivors of the 150,000 people who were kept in British internment camps in Kenya.

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:45

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:39

Good luck with selling that logic to convince people LOL

I don’t even know what this means. Are you trying to be sarcastic?

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:46

ClarenceH · 10/09/2025 22:44

I say this all the time! So much of our culture has been impacted by the US - food, music, fashion, language. I cringe every time a Brit says 'season' rather than 'series' 😂!

Following on from the original post, I lived in Tokyo 25 years ago and there was lots of talk then about gaijin (a term that means outsiders) eroding the culture then so it's nothing new. It's the same over here. Every few years there will be a furore about not being able to display flags or that Muslims want Christmas or Easter banned. It fires certain people up who feel their rights are being eroded. Research shows these moral panics are usually created by politicians to distract from other issues.

It’s pretty absurd to say there is not a huge demographic change in the U.K. due to immigration.

KatSlayMoon · 10/09/2025 22:46

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 10/09/2025 22:42

That says 3 people, not 3 million.

So does that make it okay then?