Anti immigration and England being 'racist'

[AngryBird6122]

Do people know that this is not just a UK thing? I see so many people saying they are ashamed to be british etc but this is happening the world over. And it can work both ways! I have close family in Japan and there are protests there too and they are being treated very differently - yes, white english! The right are gaining traction there too. Are the Japanese allowed to be proud of their country and fly their flags? What's people's thoughts on this?

😂 Well used tic tac. No, I'll repeat what I said in the hopes you'd understand, but again, I don't want to dissuade you from your established prejudice. 😃

Well, given that this is a discussion site, why wouldn't you take the opportunity to dissuade me with the decent counter argument I'm sure you're capable of?

I'll wait....😊

That is so true!

I have a SIL & BIL who have emigrated to Australia because they felt that white British people were being outnumbered by brown immigrants.

They could see no irony in them becoming immigrants, because "It's different", apparently. The only difference I can see is the skin colour, and the fact they are absolutely loaded.

The Left hate Britain. Above all they hate England and Englishness. George Orwell noted this 80 years ago. He remarked on how the British Left, unlike, say, the Italian Left or the Polish Left, hate their own country. When you hate something, you want to destroy it, and if you can't destroy it, you want to change it. The Left have used their influence (they dominate academia, the arts and the publishing industry) to transform people's sense of identity and belonging. Before they could do that, however, they had to make them ashamed of their history. It's like an abusive husband. To gain control over his wife, he breaks her self-esteem and teaches her to hate herself. Once he's done that, she's putty in his hands. Take a look at the history books in Waterstones! Row after row of books attacking British history and demonising British heroes. Radio 4 can't even discuss a British writer like Tennyson or George Eliot without linking them to colonialism in some way.

But the Left have also used mass immigration. Andrew Neather, a speechwriter for Tony Blair, said that the Labour party planned to use immigration to "rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." That has been achieved. I no longer live in a country with a shared history and a shared identity. I don't feel English-British anymore. I never asked for multiculturalism and I never voted for it. It has simply been IMPOSED on me.

I noticed a while ago that I'd stopped watching TV and had started watching repeats of old shows like Brideshead Revisited and Colditz and Monty Python. I'd also started re-reading Dickens and Jane Austen and P. G. Wodehouse. I suddenly realized that I was desperately clinging on to an identity that had been stolen from me. What has been done to the people of this country is a f-ing crime.

I'm not even angry anymore. I'm just done. I no longer feel any loyalty or duty to this country. I read in the paper today that we're closer to war in Europe than at any time since 1939. Well I won't be involved. My great grandfather was wounded in WW1, and my grandfather fought in Burma in WW2, but I wouldn't lift a finger to defend modern Britain. And I've told my sons that I'll come back and haunt them if they ever fight for this country. My left-wing neighbour flies a Palestinian flag, and another neighbour flies a Jamaican flag. No one bats an eyelid. But when English flags appear we have people complaining. I don't know why the Left are constantly whinging. Their victory is complete. They've won. They've got what they wanted, and they can go and fight for it.

Well England is not Scotland or Wales or Ireland - hence the name Great Britain and now United Kingdom. The Union Jack has three flags in one to symbolise unity.

English culture - drinking! Also fighting and swearing. And puddings and cakes and custard on everything except clog dancing. Tea before anything else when you go round someone’s house. Apologising whenever somebody pushes / elbows / interrupts you. Or whenever somebody notices you exist.

Awful folk music, frequently involving somebody asking their father to dig their grave. The Proms, pop, wild poetry and plenty of it. Community choirs.

Ridiculous sports like rugby and cricket and netball.

Literary novels about the difficulties of being a woman, often written by women. Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, Agatha Christie, JKR, Hilary Mantel.

Actors and artists which we export mightily. Public parks and free museums.

Obsession with the weather and complete inability to make any adjustment to deal with it. Beautiful countryside made of mainly mud but sometimes leafy and flowery and blue skied. Coasts of cliffs and pebbles and sand. Cold water swimming and obsessive love of our pets.

Global language of infinite local variety, dialect and accent.

Religious tolerance for the last 4 centuries.

Like all countries, England has lots of culture. Like all cultures it is not exclusive it just is what it is and not something else.

@KTheGrey - Drinking, fighting and swearing - I thought that was the Scots.

But a lot of these features are also Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish- especially rugby and JK Rowling! Also free parks and museums, pop music, drinking tea....

I mean, how much of what you have just listed as English is not found in the other 3 nations of Great Britain?

Chill out love. I'm sure there's some Morris dancing you can go to somewhere this weekend.

Absolutely this.

(Although it will almost certainly be danced by some of those "lefties" you so despise).

Which makes me wonder something else lakielady- where do you stand on that venerable English tradition the Durham Miners' Gala? 🤔

My great grandfather was wounded in WW1, and my grandfather fought in Burma in WW2, but I wouldn't lift a finger to defend modern Britain. And I've told my sons that I'll come back and haunt them if they ever fight for this country. My left-wing neighbour flies a Palestinian flag, and another neighbour flies a Jamaican flag

This is a vilely offensive statement when you take into consideration all the Jamaican (and other British Empire) troops who fought and died for Britain in WW2.

I think @KTheGrey was referring to the fact that J K Rowling was born in England, along with other renowned writers such as Shakespeare, Jane Austen, George Orwell, Beatrix Potter The Bronte sisters, Charles Dickens to name a few. Our literacy culture has had an effect worldwide.

In southern Africa, South Africa particularly there have been a lot of protests including murder of people of different cultures, tribes, nations and ethnicities emigrating to work there. Call them guest workers, immigrants, refugees they are getting as much grief and a great deal worse than those coming to the Uk, or Japan or Australia. But Africa is a different continent.

There is that!
(Although "literacy culture" is something the flag shaggers could do with engaging with...)

Yes that’s how I feel

marxist ideology

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Hysterical Hyperbole but the part about mass immigration being down to “The Left” is especially funny. As if immigration slowed to a
trickle during the Tory years.

@AngryBird6122 I completely understand your question

I try to spend less time here than in the past

So the threads I've seen, there's a lot of people talking about how we are a horrible racist country because of treatment of refugees or asylum seekers in particular.

And then there's people talking about leaving the country because of it

I'm not an expert, but I think the UK treats these groups well compared to other countries.

i've had to explain a lot of stuff to my elderly mother today. So I think we can count her as another woman of colour who would be presumed to be far right, according to the definition some people seem to have.

I've lost the plot what is socially acceptable to say

I was in the pub earlier this week with some white friends who are deeply upset about the flags on our road. They looked completely horrified when I said I wasn't horrified. I would've kept quiet, but they were going on about how terrible it must be for anyone not white to see them. While looking at me.

I don't know, maybe there is a genuine actual far right monster hiding under the bed and I just don't know about it. But I do think things have moved on since the 80s.

I feel a huge sense of unease at the moment, in spite of trying to ignore politics. It's impossible now.

I actually wonder if gaslighting by silence is part of a tactic with this government.

Like a PP, I wonder if conflict is more likely be left versus right.

It's an interesting question whether the left in other countries is so willing to view their countries history in such purely negative terms and beat their collective breasts with mea culpa despite the fact that the majority of people at the time of these historical wrongs neither had the vote or were anything other than servants or potentially workers with notions above their station that needed to be taught a lesson by the ruling classes.

Except that that's not close to anything "the left" (not a monolithic entity) has said or would ever say.

Many writers, thinkers and commentators from the left have pointed out that imperialism and slavery benefited only the moneyed classes in Britain, while the masses were left in grinding poverty.

To say that left wing historians view "our country's" history in purely negative terms is to display a stunning ignorance of their work in telling the stories of working class people. (Just as a snippet: did you know Cornish Methodists in the 18th century refused to take sugar in their tea because they refused to support the triangular trade?)

There's an understandable frustration at seeing working class people manipulated into hating people with whom they should by rights have a lot in common by millionaires keen to shift the focus from their own actions.

And as for lakielady self soothing herself into a rose coloured vision of England past by reading Jane Austen and watching Brideshead Revisited....most of us would have been scrubbing these people's floors back in the day 🤦‍♀️

@crackofdoom There aren't any protests with that name

How would you know about the criminal record records of people peacefully protesting by the way?

Could you give me a specific example of what you're talking about?

I keep hearing people citing figures from arrests during last year's riots and extrapolating them to protests. That makes absolutely no sense.

No it isnt the world over. i have never been threatened with rape and being ahot in any other country only in the UK. The town I was horn in and raised and educated in walking on my home atreets telling me to F-Off to pakistan. Not even Pakistani heritage I am mixed English and Arab. These riots are raciat and not about immigration they see you are hot white and hurl abuse even with ny 3 year old and 1 year old baby with me. They threaten to rape me. Is that ok? I never had that in the middle East, or in Africa.

Yes in Japan my beither experinced prejudice but never threats to his life. He lives and works there. They may treat him a little colder but they still don't bother him. They always are surpised when he says he is British as they only see white people are British. But you can not compare the treatment to the UK and in France and America where we are ohysicaly abused and verbally threatened and intimidated.

Flagshaggers refusing to actually fight for the country they claim to love if it came to actually having to fight is surely just par for the course?
Rhere were plenty of spins and draft dodgers in WW2 too.

Ironically, unlike Mr/Ms ‘ I can only watch Colditz now’ - despite being on the left with my views, not being English and despising all this waving of flags I WOULD fight if it came down to it, and fully expect my not far off military age DC to do the same. Just as my grandparents had to. Sometimes it’s about the bigger picture.
And if the true ‘patriots’ chose to dodge fighting then I suppose it’ll be up to the rest of us to help remove whatever jackboot is on their cowardly necks.

I have asked myself if I am racist or have unconscious bias and honestly don't believe so. I love my black neighbours and have Asian friends. However I am very concerned about the huge number of illegal immigrants and do feel angry when I hear about them living in hotels and occasionally hearing some have been given new housing. This might be ok we're it not that so many British families are in desperate need of decent affordable housing and I do believe that charity begins at home and our own people should come first.

Quite.

And my 20xgreat-grandfather (direct ancestor) was Sir William Bowes I, which makes me directly related to Kind Charles III. And any flag I will be flying is green, white and orange, which means our joint ancestors ended up on very different sides - and it isn't his side I am proud of.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of what the British achieved, providing you recognise at what cost it was achieved and to whom. And who really reaped the benefit.