Do people really think PIP claimants are fraudsters?!

[Greedybilly]

As someone with a chronic illness in the middle of claiming PIP I think it's important to point out it's very stressful to go through the process and actually get the benefit.
To those who were inferring it's an easy blag - I would say yes there will always be a few scammers who claim fraudulently ( though god knows how tbh?) the majority have to struggle for years/go through appeals/give up.
Just saying this for balance as I feel MN is turning slghtly into the Daily Fail.

About bloody time IMO

Look it up.

The mobility component standard rate is around £30 a week. Some people are just awarded this alone with no daily living component.

Youalright

Yes it is possible to receive pip and work. The vast majority don't and those who tend to work very part time.

I really am not. I'm just pointing out Psychiatric evidence is subjective and not like a scan or exray objective evidence. I'm not saying all people with MH are faking. I believe there will be only a few.

couldn’t agree more

Bull Shit!!!

My dd has it for severe mental illnesses including Anorexia and a list of conditions she was born with. She is on a 5 year assessment time scale.

Yes when you apply for PIP you list all your conditions.
Depression and anxiety are very common in people with disabilities especially chronic pain.

Maybe ADHD is at the top all the time because it is in alphabetical order.

Its my reality.

@HoskinsChoicennot sure why you're getting abusive? Ofcourse there are genuine claims and fraudsters.
The government in power decides who gets what/ the criteria for each benefit.
I.e how easy/difficult to make things for genuine claimants

Some people do. My DH’s cousins are quite open within the family (not to me - they know how I’d react!) about having faked whiplash injuries and then faking agoraphobia/anxiety alongside. They don’t plan to work again.

I feel massively sorry for those who are impacted by this, but there’s no doubt that false claims are possible and this naturally plants a seed of doubt.

I receive PIP for autism & mental health.
Beyond the initial assessment I have not had to provide much in the way of evidence other than diagnosis. There isn't any evidence that really proves what support you actually receive.

The last 2 renewals (both 5 year awards) I didn't provide any evidence at all & completed the form mainly stating 'no change'.

The system is definitely open to abuse. I don't think I am abusing it as genuinely struggle & need support but there is nothing to stop people claiming who have a diagnosis but need very little support.

I don't know what the answer is. The claims for autism & mental health will just keep increasing as numbers diagnosed increase. I do think diagnosis is a good thing but we need to provide the support & treatment not just benefits

I for one would definitely choose adequate support & treatment over receiving PIP but think the costs of providing that would be greater than the PIP I receive. I think that's the problem government & society are faced with.

It's been a terrible thing for my niece. I do blame the parents - neglected by dad, victimised by mum. The poor kid was a teen victim and now is a 20 something professional evidence manipulator.
I literally heard her mum discuss an appointment as great evidence rather than moving in a positive direction.

she should be working, building a community outside home, outside her peers who are also leaning to the misunderstood on benefits crowd. She does have drive and strategic insight, she just uses it for PIP, charity applications and getting as much money out of grandparents and divorce dad as possible.

How will cuts to the vulnerable improve your life?

And higher mobility issues is £77.05. Therefore 3 out of the 4 payments are significantly more than £30.

It is not bullshit. I saw the award letter. The person is just under state pension age and i think that makes a difference.

It’s all very unfortunate. Many claimants are legitimate and deserving - but the process is monumentally difficult for them. The claimants who aren’t legitimate seem to know how to make successful claims.

this 53million scam is UC, not PIP. But it shows that there are organised groups defrauding the state to the tune of ££££££££ in benefits.

So whilst your average pip claimant isn’t a fraudster, there are plenty of fraudsters.

Yep. Its totally unfair for everyone. The system needs to change.

Yeah, fuck the disabled. Make their lives all the more fucking harder I say!

I work 30 hours a week and use all my holiday on appointments and take tge rest unpaid i haven't had a holiday in over 10 years as I don't have the days as Im under 7 consultants so have very very regular appointments spread out all around tge the country. I have a rare progressive congenital condition that effects multiple organs, im in heart failure and im deteriorating all the time and I was still rejected for pip first time round

It’s the staggering increase in claims in recent years that is off putting for tax payers. Claims doubled in the year 2021-2022 and tripled amongst teenagers according to the IFS. It’s hard to understand how there can be a genuine explanation for so many more people claiming. I don’t want any genuine individual to feel bad or not get what they need but as a country the welfare bill has to come down or the consent of those shouldering the burden will be lost.

Theres always a group of people on MN who cannot fathom that anyone would lie to get benefits and if you dare to say so, you're immediately called a "benefit basher". Some people really are (sadly) just lazy fucks which messes things up for people that actually need assistance

Dear God, not cuts to the vulnerable, cuts to the lying work shy.

I said NOTHING about disabled people!!

Is there any particular condition that you see used in claims you’ve felt aren’t genuine?