Do people really think PIP claimants are fraudsters?!

[Greedybilly]

As someone with a chronic illness in the middle of claiming PIP I think it's important to point out it's very stressful to go through the process and actually get the benefit.
To those who were inferring it's an easy blag - I would say yes there will always be a few scammers who claim fraudulently ( though god knows how tbh?) the majority have to struggle for years/go through appeals/give up.
Just saying this for balance as I feel MN is turning slghtly into the Daily Fail.

I haven't read anything about vouchers, its beyond me why ppl are upset about other ppl being annoyed about liars claiming money and taking funds away from the deserved.

I know it doesn’t. I also don’t think it would be right or acceptable to demand receipts from claimants. Or whatever other nonsense some posters are coming up with. It’s just an expression of their thinly veiled contempt and resentment.

Ok

Why am i baffling? Im defending disabled people and ppl with severe mental health. They need support. Dishonest ppl are LYING and taking it away from them. It will eventually get stopped at this rate. I find it baffling that you cant see that!

Because people on disability benefits are often tarred with the same brush
Because people make incorrect assumptions about disabled people
Because genuine disabled people will suffer if any of the various suggestions on this thread should ever become a reality such as vouchers/sending receipts.

Just because filling in the form is difficult doesn’t mean people who aren’t entitled want do it I’m afraid.I think you are being a little naive to think that it doesn’t go on.

My experience is with DLA, not PIP but it isn't just about how difficult it is to fill in the form, it's also about how difficult it is to gather the evidence needed, especially if it isn't the truth and especially if we're talking about the highest rates.

What planet are you living on? Certainly not this one. There aren’t ’more people rinsing the taxpayers than the honest’- I take that to mean, the majority of PIP claims are fraudulent which factually is not the case.

RTFT then and increase your understanding rather than making silly comments.

And that may be but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. And when it does you should be angry at those people who give genuine claimants a bad name

It is degrading in the context of the PIP assessment process, where claimants have already felt humiliated and de-humanised. It is very different to evidencing costs in a business setting. It seems very hard for you to understand this.

I’ve posted this before. I work as a MHCP, I have people asking me for letters to support their PIP claims for things that are treatable.

I have people at assessments suggesting they have severe MH issues but what they report is in no way consistent with the diagnosis they want to have confirmed…and unwittingly trip themselves up with their own lies. At some point there is a request for said letter of support.

it doesn’t happen often but there are people out there who are motivated to fraudulently claim. It’s sad because people are struggling in life they are desperate. Some are maybe motivated to do this because they want to avoid working for whatever reason - not my business. It’s a recognised example of secondary gains - by staying unwell there is a greater gain from somewhere and one can be financial.

I maintain my clinical integrity and assess accordingly and offer the recommended treatment.

In my role I am not permitted to write supporting letter for any purpose - the genuine ones tend to look upset/disappointed whereas other can get argumentative and angry and immediately disengage.

I don’t envy assessor one little bit to try and help those genuine claimants

She didn’t say that

Which is awful, and I honestly don't know what to suggest as there obviously isn't the funding to individually verify all of these cases, im worried for the genuinely needy (and have utter disguist for lazy cheats)

I work very closely within the PIP/DLA process with claimants and yes very very many now know what to write on the forms to enable them to guarantee to get the basic rates. There are social media pages that teach this stuff.

Yes. She did.

“It’s more clear that there ARE dishonest ppl rinsing the taxpayers than the honest.”

Thankyou :-) no idea didn't say that. Im living on planet Earth 😍

It doesn't happen as much as people seem to claim on here. They always seem to know someone who has a child or children who get high rate DLA even though they shouldn't and bang on about the new car and how the child/ren definitely don't need.

I think a lot of time it is just their opinion that the child doesn't need DLA rather than it actually being true.

Its not about just filling in forms its the amount of medical evidence needed to go alongside this. Which the dwp assessor will argue every step of the way I had my assessor arguing against what a professor of vascular surgeon who had known me for 15 years was saying and the assessor was then stating something completely opposite which wouldn't even be medically/scientifically possible. She disregarded letters from my cardiologist, neurosurgeon, heamotologist, psychiatrist, heamotologist and respiratory physiotherapist and then made up really random things. Luckily I challenged all of this and asked my MR to be recorded asked them straight out why they have made up blatant lies and I was given high rate on both. But if a person which brain damage, heart failure a rare congenital condition that will cause further organ failure plus I have bipolar and bpd gets denied pip with pages and pages of medical evidence, hospital admissions, letters from multiple consultants a list of over 50 medications i have to take daily the regular treatment im receiving can you not see how i find it hard to believe a person gets given pip with no medical evidence and a letter from a gp and apparently nothing wrong with them.

Yep. And AI of course....

AI can’t generate the evidence needed to support claims. 😍

But you need the bloody evidence and disability!!! Of course you need help writing the form- it’s 14 pages long!

We also get called liars, cheats, spongers and aren't worthy of even the simple pleasures in life according to comments made on this thread. .go on take a look it will fill your cold dark heart with glee.

Wtf ??????