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Do people really think PIP claimants are fraudsters?!

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Greedybilly · 09/09/2025 18:03

As someone with a chronic illness in the middle of claiming PIP I think it's important to point out it's very stressful to go through the process and actually get the benefit.
To those who were inferring it's an easy blag - I would say yes there will always be a few scammers who claim fraudulently ( though god knows how tbh?) the majority have to struggle for years/go through appeals/give up.
Just saying this for balance as I feel MN is turning slghtly into the Daily Fail.

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SquirrelosaurusSoShiny · 10/09/2025 17:42

Menostress · 09/09/2025 19:07

It’s all very unfortunate. Many claimants are legitimate and deserving - but the process is monumentally difficult for them. The claimants who aren’t legitimate seem to know how to make successful claims.

this 53million scam is UC, not PIP. But it shows that there are organised groups defrauding the state to the tune of ££££££££ in benefits.

So whilst your average pip claimant isn’t a fraudster, there are plenty of fraudsters.

I agree. Universal credit is disastrous. There is a moral responsibility for people to work if they can and to cut their cloth according to their means. There is ALSO a moral responsibility for employers to pay a fair living wage and for government to provide adequate affordable housing and healthcare for its population. Universal credit is an absolute fudge especially when combined with housing benefit etc.

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 17:45

Marshmallow4545 · 10/09/2025 17:40

No, it's not. It's broadly to cover the costs associated with raising a child. You haven't had to evidence specific needs relating to the child to make yourself eligible. Feeding and clothing a child would almost certainly cost more than CB so it's a mute point really as the parent will be spending this money on their child one way or another.

Will they? Not all children are cared for correctly, this would at least make sure they have basic essentials via child benefit vouchers.

Instead of spending it all on themselves.

DipsyDee · 10/09/2025 17:47

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 17:39

To be fair, even if pp is disabled she still doesn't get to tell other people how to feel. Clearly, some people with disabilities would feel dehumanised.

By the same token you (and I mean the figuratively speaking so not just you) don’t get to tell her how she should feel about it either.

Marshmallow4545 · 10/09/2025 17:48

K0OLA1D · 10/09/2025 17:13

Ah yeah because business expenses is just the same.

You have no idea at all do you

My response was in reply to someone that claimed that showing receipts for costs was degrading in principle. My point is that this is a part of a system that lots of businesses and employees take part in every day and that is often to get their own money back, not to get extra money from the government.

Marshmallow4545 · 10/09/2025 17:55

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 17:10

If you aren't disabled, I don't think you get to tell those who are what is or isn't dehumanising.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. The assumption here is that everyone that is disabled is part of some homogeneous group that is uniquely capable of judging what is and isn't dehumanising and that their answer would always be universally the same. To even write a post like this and then suggest I am trying to dehumanise people is so bizarre. Disabled people are individuals and as evidenced on this thread have different opinions about all kinds of things including PIP.

youalright · 10/09/2025 18:03

BooneyBeautiful · 10/09/2025 17:20

For info, the criteria for PIP Enhanced Mobility is 20 metres, not 50.

Thanks i couldnt remember the exact distances

MyLimeGuide · 10/09/2025 18:06

vivainsomnia · 10/09/2025 10:13

You're not left alone at all. Its normally every 3 years you have to go through the whole process again. I have RA. Unless there is a miracle I will always have RA. My joints are too damaged now for any cure. Ive had 4 of my joints replaced. Having another replaced in 2 weeks along with having another joint fused. But I still have to prove I am disabled enough
What's the point of stating individual circumstances? I'm not saying everyone claiming PIP is a fraudster. I do believe the majority genuinely have a need for PIP. The point is that a growing number of people play the system.

You say that assessments are every three years yet just below someone says it's been 9 years. Perfectly appropriate for those who are genuine, a massive incentive for those who are not.

Some people are a bit touchy on this thread! For some reason they think because we are moaning about fraudulent PIP claimants we are against ALL claimants?!🙆

K0OLA1D · 10/09/2025 18:07

MyLimeGuide · 10/09/2025 18:06

Some people are a bit touchy on this thread! For some reason they think because we are moaning about fraudulent PIP claimants we are against ALL claimants?!🙆

The fact that you can't see why is baffling

youalright · 10/09/2025 18:08

MyLimeGuide · 10/09/2025 18:06

Some people are a bit touchy on this thread! For some reason they think because we are moaning about fraudulent PIP claimants we are against ALL claimants?!🙆

Where touchy because disabled people get treat like shit.

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 18:09

Marshmallow4545 · 10/09/2025 17:55

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. The assumption here is that everyone that is disabled is part of some homogeneous group that is uniquely capable of judging what is and isn't dehumanising and that their answer would always be universally the same. To even write a post like this and then suggest I am trying to dehumanise people is so bizarre. Disabled people are individuals and as evidenced on this thread have different opinions about all kinds of things including PIP.

Disabled people are individuals. If someone is also disabled and has a different opinion, fair enough though as I've said to a pp, I still think it's in poor form to try and tell someone how they should or shouldn't feel.

My issue is more if someone isn't disabled and is trying to tell someone who is disabled what is or isn't dehumanising. If that doesn't apply to you, that is why I started with ''IF you aren't disabled''.

Dissappearedupmyownarse · 10/09/2025 18:10

Greedybilly · 09/09/2025 18:03

As someone with a chronic illness in the middle of claiming PIP I think it's important to point out it's very stressful to go through the process and actually get the benefit.
To those who were inferring it's an easy blag - I would say yes there will always be a few scammers who claim fraudulently ( though god knows how tbh?) the majority have to struggle for years/go through appeals/give up.
Just saying this for balance as I feel MN is turning slghtly into the Daily Fail.

A big fat YES in the majority of cases!!!! I know of several that claim and they do not need the money but see it as their 'entitlement'

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 18:11

MyLimeGuide · 10/09/2025 18:06

Some people are a bit touchy on this thread! For some reason they think because we are moaning about fraudulent PIP claimants we are against ALL claimants?!🙆

When things like vouchers are suggested, of course some people are going to be touchy.

K0OLA1D · 10/09/2025 18:12

Dissappearedupmyownarse · 10/09/2025 18:10

A big fat YES in the majority of cases!!!! I know of several that claim and they do not need the money but see it as their 'entitlement'

Lol at 'majority'

MyLimeGuide · 10/09/2025 18:13

upallnightt · 10/09/2025 15:49

jesus Christ that’s more than most people’s wages !

Lol my exact reaction to this post was Jesus Christ!! Thats where are tax goes then right there....

DipsyDee · 10/09/2025 18:13

youalright · 10/09/2025 18:08

Where touchy because disabled people get treat like shit.

You should direct that at people who are fraudulently claiming any benefit therefore taking money out of not only YOUR pocket but the taxpayers too. Nobody has said on this thread that all claimants are frauds.

GagMeWithASpoon · 10/09/2025 18:14

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 17:07

Child benefit is for a specific reason too. How can we be sure that parents are spending it as intended? Vouchers would mean it is definitely going to the costs of raising a child and nothing else.

It’s £100 a month!! That doesn’t even cover the cost for DD’s school bus, never mind anything else.

JohnTheRevelator · 10/09/2025 18:14

There is definitely a sizable proportion of people who think that all PIP claimants are fraudsters. Not helped by successive governments whipping up hatred of disabled people. You've only got to witness the 'disabled parking space' police to realise that there are a hell of a lot of people out there who think they are entitled to act as judge and jury on people's disabilities. I think some of them are under the impression that unless you literally fall out of the car then proceed to drag yourself across the car park by your fingernails,then you don't qualify as 'disabled enough'.

DipsyDee · 10/09/2025 18:15

JohnTheRevelator · 10/09/2025 18:14

There is definitely a sizable proportion of people who think that all PIP claimants are fraudsters. Not helped by successive governments whipping up hatred of disabled people. You've only got to witness the 'disabled parking space' police to realise that there are a hell of a lot of people out there who think they are entitled to act as judge and jury on people's disabilities. I think some of them are under the impression that unless you literally fall out of the car then proceed to drag yourself across the car park by your fingernails,then you don't qualify as 'disabled enough'.

Where is your proof that that is the case? Though I do agree with your comments about disabled parking spaces.

K0OLA1D · 10/09/2025 18:16

DipsyDee · 10/09/2025 18:13

You should direct that at people who are fraudulently claiming any benefit therefore taking money out of not only YOUR pocket but the taxpayers too. Nobody has said on this thread that all claimants are frauds.

Just look at the comment a few up from you. The word 'majority' being used. A lot of people on this thread and IRL think claimants are all swinging the lead.

GagMeWithASpoon · 10/09/2025 18:17

Avantiagain · 10/09/2025 17:25

"No, the two benefits are not comparable for reasons I outlined earlier. Child Benefit is much more akin to the State Pension. They are more general benefits that you don't need justification to obtain or specific evidence."

No I think I have a right to know that parents aren't using it to get pissed in Spoons.

Why? Who exactly are you?

Kirbert2 · 10/09/2025 18:17

GagMeWithASpoon · 10/09/2025 18:14

It’s £100 a month!! That doesn’t even cover the cost for DD’s school bus, never mind anything else.

Do you think PIP/DLA covers all disability needs? It often doesn't.

MyLimeGuide · 10/09/2025 18:17

Plastictreees · 10/09/2025 17:11

You won’t answer @Marshmallow4545 because the answer, quite clearly, is zero.

It is blatantly obvious from your posts that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the benefits system. The fact you state that it isn’t dehumanising for disabled people to have to itemise their disability expenses, in your hypothetical reality, shows that you understand nothing about the system. There is a considerable amount of peer reviewed research into the harms of PIP assessments experienced by claimants, including humiliation, re-traumatisation and suicidation. Your suggestion of inflicting more dehumanising bureaucracy onto disabled people is tone deaf and illogical. All this would serve is to create more psychological distress and suffering, more fatigue and pain and ultimately cost the government MORE money. Thankfully we are not living in the Gilead society you seem to want.

I was also going to ask you how many disability reform consultations you have been involved in, and how many benefit systems and processes you have re-designed. Thankfully I am sure the answer to these questions is also a big fat zero.

But read the posts on this thread!! Its more clear that there ARE dishonest ppl rinsing the taxpayers than the honest. Not sure why you are so obsessed with defending dishonest liars and thieves?

K0OLA1D · 10/09/2025 18:18

GagMeWithASpoon · 10/09/2025 18:17

Why? Who exactly are you?

Point gone straight over your head there hasn't it 😂

DipsyDee · 10/09/2025 18:20

K0OLA1D · 10/09/2025 18:16

Just look at the comment a few up from you. The word 'majority' being used. A lot of people on this thread and IRL think claimants are all swinging the lead.

No they don’t

youalright · 10/09/2025 18:20

DipsyDee · 10/09/2025 18:13

You should direct that at people who are fraudulently claiming any benefit therefore taking money out of not only YOUR pocket but the taxpayers too. Nobody has said on this thread that all claimants are frauds.

If you had been through the pip process yourself you would understand how its hard to believe anyone accept criminal gangs are doing this what I expect is happening is people are believing what they read on social media and don't know the actual ins and out of their neighbours cousins friends illness or financial situation

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