Page 3 | PIP Fraud- now even the DWP staff themselves are it!

TempNameForObviousReasons · 2025-09-07T16:34:01+00:00

Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks [[https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym]] Tip of the iceberg, serious reform needed.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 18:48

LittleCarrot12 · 07/09/2025 18:02

No, but people using it to fund a lifestyle instead of working is still wrong. Not everyone does but it does happen. My neighbours wife works to meet the minimum earning threshold but they’re struggling financially with 3 kids. Instead of getting a job the husband is applying for PIP to bulk their money.
Oh, but he also works on the sly cash in hand but hasn’t declared that.

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Anyone can apply for it it doesn't mean he will get it though.

PollyPaintsFlowers · 07/09/2025 18:51

Fluffypotatoe123987 · 07/09/2025 17:51

Maybe look at this differently.

Poor health - works with gym on prescription for 12 weeks at the local gym for people with health conditions.

Works with a services learning acceptance and pacing. Builds his fitness up to live his life better.

Has very bad days spends a while resting and then gets good days but the gyms increased the good days. But he hasn't informed anyone that he has improved because its in-between awards and he does have health issues hes just being proactive to improve his life. No hate here. I see this alot working to help people live a more independent life

What happens to them? Do they get penalised for having good days or trying to improve their lives? If so, how does that incentivise anyone to try and get better?

User1839474 · 07/09/2025 18:51

TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 17:54

I know so many people who openly admit to claiming it, but there is nothing wrong with them!!

Yes you need medical evidence but GPs and consultants will always record what a patient reports as fact as they don't like to insinuate maligering.

Hey presto you have your medical report signed by a professional ✔️

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What doctors write is “patient reports” in my experience.

PandoraSocks · 07/09/2025 18:52

is all this thread is worth in terms of a response.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 18:54

TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 18:19

I don't need another example, since this example alone, the one where a DWP assessor himself has been caught committing fraud, proves my point.

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Well it doesn't really, he's an ex assessor so he will have far better understanding of what applications are approved ,than someone's aunty's next door neighbours daughter in law ( who is also apparently claiming PIP fraudulently) if he's fraudulently claiming it her more likely ti successful.

GreenTurtles3 · 07/09/2025 18:54

ninjahamster · 07/09/2025 17:52

Of course you will get occasional PIP fraud. But as somebody who claims it, I can tell you it is an incredibly hard benefit to get, you have to provide so much evidence.

I know at least 6 people who are claiming it fraudulently. Plus then their OHs claiming carers allowance to look after them.

Freud2 · 07/09/2025 18:55

The latest figures are that one in four of us are now disabled physically or mentally. How can that possibly be true? One of the biggest frauds is saying you have ADHD - The figures have quadrupled. Easy to describe the symptoms. Even if this were true why on earth would you need money from the state? Doesn't affect mobility, you can surely wash and dress yourself. Obviously if you are working anyway you would need money even less from benefits.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 18:55

GreenTurtles3 · 07/09/2025 18:54

I know at least 6 people who are claiming it fraudulently. Plus then their OHs claiming carers allowance to look after them.

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How do you know this?

ComfortFoodCafe · 07/09/2025 18:56

Why with these threads is there everyone who knows someone claiming it fraudulently? The word “porkies” comes to mind.
Its very hard to get PIP - some of you going off your posts, clearly have no idea.

Happyher · 07/09/2025 18:56

TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 18:19

I don't need another example, since this example alone, the one where a DWP assessor himself has been caught committing fraud, proves my point.

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A tiny tip of the iceberg

DrowningInSyrup · 07/09/2025 18:57

I get pip for my mental health, a brain haemorrhage and a benign brain tumour. I will lose my PIP with the new assessment qualifiers and it will be devastating. I will also lose money from my Universal Credit as I will be deemed as fit for work. I won't be able to go for my appointments or look for work, so I may lose it all. My mental health is so awful, I have been suicidal many times, I really think that it will be the end of me.

I don't say this for sympathy, but instead because when people keep banging on about the small percentage of benefit fraud, do they realise the actual effects it will have on those that truly suffer? Look at the fraud that is in the media recently, huge sums of money, yet still on a salary of 93k, and might have to sell one of her 3 houses. We only hear about a tiny amount of similar cases, and yes we are outraged, but nothing to the extent of those disabled on PIP. Constant media bashing, forum attacks, fear mongering and frankly hatred it seems to the majority of the disabled on PIP. I'm sorry I've probably stepped too far here, but suicide rates and homelessness will surely increase. People will be unable to work that currently can with the aid of PIP. I already feel useless, if it wasn't for my daughter, I would have done something irrevocable.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 18:57

Freud2 · 07/09/2025 18:55

The latest figures are that one in four of us are now disabled physically or mentally. How can that possibly be true? One of the biggest frauds is saying you have ADHD - The figures have quadrupled. Easy to describe the symptoms. Even if this were true why on earth would you need money from the state? Doesn't affect mobility, you can surely wash and dress yourself. Obviously if you are working anyway you would need money even less from benefits.

I'm sick of saying this but it goes off need not diagnosis
Nobody can just phone up PIp and say hi I think I have ADHD can I have PIP please and they give it you.

ComfortFoodCafe · 07/09/2025 18:58

DrowningInSyrup · 07/09/2025 18:57

I get pip for my mental health, a brain haemorrhage and a benign brain tumour. I will lose my PIP with the new assessment qualifiers and it will be devastating. I will also lose money from my Universal Credit as I will be deemed as fit for work. I won't be able to go for my appointments or look for work, so I may lose it all. My mental health is so awful, I have been suicidal many times, I really think that it will be the end of me.

I don't say this for sympathy, but instead because when people keep banging on about the small percentage of benefit fraud, do they realise the actual effects it will have on those that truly suffer? Look at the fraud that is in the media recently, huge sums of money, yet still on a salary of 93k, and might have to sell one of her 3 houses. We only hear about a tiny amount of similar cases, and yes we are outraged, but nothing to the extent of those disabled on PIP. Constant media bashing, forum attacks, fear mongering and frankly hatred it seems to the majority of the disabled on PIP. I'm sorry I've probably stepped too far here, but suicide rates and homelessness will surely increase. People will be unable to work that currently can with the aid of PIP. I already feel useless, if it wasn't for my daughter, I would have done something irrevocable.

The new rules will not effect those already on it, please do not add anymore stress to your shoulders. Sending you a big hug 🫂

SerendipityJane · 07/09/2025 18:58

MickGeorge22 · 07/09/2025 18:47

I honestly do not think health care professionals are contacted very often.

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Last 3 people I helped apply for PIP reported the first their doctors (and consultants) knew of it was when the patient told them.

As one assessor said "We find medical diagnoses can interfere with the holistic nature of the benefit". Which didn't stop us sending it 😀

Mademetoxic · 07/09/2025 18:58

ninjahamster · 07/09/2025 17:52

Of course you will get occasional PIP fraud. But as somebody who claims it, I can tell you it is an incredibly hard benefit to get, you have to provide so much evidence.

I definitely know someone on pip and every other benefit under the sun who could work. It does happen a lot.

TigerRag · 07/09/2025 19:00

Kreepture · 07/09/2025 18:26

yes, because the less than 1% of PIP fraud is such a massive issue, more than the Millions of pounds of Tax fraud, and Tax dodging of the rich in this country.

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And the blatant fraud done by the so called pip assessors

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TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 19:01

DrowningInSyrup · 07/09/2025 18:57

I get pip for my mental health, a brain haemorrhage and a benign brain tumour. I will lose my PIP with the new assessment qualifiers and it will be devastating. I will also lose money from my Universal Credit as I will be deemed as fit for work. I won't be able to go for my appointments or look for work, so I may lose it all. My mental health is so awful, I have been suicidal many times, I really think that it will be the end of me.

I don't say this for sympathy, but instead because when people keep banging on about the small percentage of benefit fraud, do they realise the actual effects it will have on those that truly suffer? Look at the fraud that is in the media recently, huge sums of money, yet still on a salary of 93k, and might have to sell one of her 3 houses. We only hear about a tiny amount of similar cases, and yes we are outraged, but nothing to the extent of those disabled on PIP. Constant media bashing, forum attacks, fear mongering and frankly hatred it seems to the majority of the disabled on PIP. I'm sorry I've probably stepped too far here, but suicide rates and homelessness will surely increase. People will be unable to work that currently can with the aid of PIP. I already feel useless, if it wasn't for my daughter, I would have done something irrevocable.

Get cross at all the fraudsters conning the system, rather than the people who are calling them out.

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itsgettingweird · 07/09/2025 19:02

pointythings · 07/09/2025 18:13

This is probably the moment to point out to the hard of thinking that PIP is not in fact an out of work benefit. My DS gets PIP. He is currently looking for work after completing his degree. He has worked during a year out. You can get PIP and work. It's there to support you with the additional costs that come with being disabled.

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This.

My disabled ds is a software developer.

That doesn’t mean the extra costs of his disability don’t exist.

Some disabled people can’t work and receive benefits because of this.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 19:05

Mademetoxic · 07/09/2025 18:58

I definitely know someone on pip and every other benefit under the sun who could work. It does happen a lot.

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Lots of people on PIp work.

Freud2 · 07/09/2025 19:05

Of course not but it is easy getting a diagnosis - easy enough to google the symptoms. There are a plethora of private assesors that just operate a tick box diagnosis. Once you get that you have your evidence to produce to the benefits office.
My own feeling is lack of focus and concentration are due to high levels of scrolling for hours. Also lack of sleep and high energy drinks that make people hyper or even poor parenting. Trusted psychatrists are also saying this now.

Tessisme · 07/09/2025 19:06

It’s amazing how many posters on Mumsnet ‘know’ someone is claiming fraudulently. People really know fuck all about other people’s lives. They only think they do. I’m sure if my youngest son and I ran into one of our neighbours, they would think there was nothing wrong with him. But he has severe OCD and is trapped with it inside his own brain. He hasn’t attended school for a year. But he can do a decent impression of someone who’s ok for a few minutes, if pushed. He only leaves the house on therapy day. I’m sure anyone who has seen him out with me, walking and talking, could have a field day filling in all the other 23 hours 55 minutes of his day.

Onthebusses · 07/09/2025 19:08

And he was caught and is being punished. They also make them pay it back. What's your point?

x2boys · 07/09/2025 19:08

Freud2 · 07/09/2025 19:05

Of course not but it is easy getting a diagnosis - easy enough to google the symptoms. There are a plethora of private assesors that just operate a tick box diagnosis. Once you get that you have your evidence to produce to the benefits office.
My own feeling is lack of focus and concentration are due to high levels of scrolling for hours. Also lack of sleep and high energy drinks that make people hyper or even poor parenting. Trusted psychatrists are also saying this now.

Again it goes of needs ,a diagnosis alone isn't going to be enough

TigerRag · 07/09/2025 19:08

Mademetoxic · 07/09/2025 18:58

I definitely know someone on pip and every other benefit under the sun who could work. It does happen a lot.

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Why haven't you reported them? I don't understand why people claim they know people commiting fraud but sit there and do nothing

Chances are they have something you know nothing about. Very few people know w that I have a rare brain condition or that I have pain killing injections every 12 weeks

sunshine244 · 07/09/2025 19:09

I actually see PIP fraud cases as a good thing- it shows that the monitoring systems in place are working to combat fraud.

Re: ADHD... I have a diagnosis of this but wouldnt be eligible for any benefits. My child is, but this is due to also having various other ND diagnoses and a paticularly high severity of symptoms. He gets DLA which is currently being used for play therapy, a disability club and tutoring (as also has severe dyslexia). The DLA needed a huge amount of paperwork from multiple independent sources.