PIP Fraud- now even the DWP staff themselves are it!

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Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

Tip of the iceberg, serious reform needed.

I know so many people who openly admit to claiming it, but there is nothing wrong with them!!

Lucky you. You really need to to go the newspapers with this.

If we want to beat up benefit claimants, then lets go after pensioners.

yes, because the less than 1% of PIP fraud is such a massive issue, more than the Millions of pounds of Tax fraud, and Tax dodging of the rich in this country.

The Daily Mail is thataway

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That doesn’t make sense. Millionaire tax evaders are, at least in part, funding their lifestyles on the backs of much lower paid taxpayers. Just because they aren’t receiving anything from the state doesn’t mean they aren’t costing the state through not paying tax. Which puts more strain on the system, which is then funded by others. So we are paying for their lives through our taxes.

I totally agree with you. What i pay in tax will either stay the same or increase, but at the moment there are too many people getting benefits who really need to be standing on their own 2 feet, and not enough going to those who need it, including children with SEN, the elderly and disabled. Current situation is not sustainable. Therefore checks and auditing are necessary as there seems to be no honesty if people improve. And sorry no idea what Farage said as I make a point of not bothering to follow him.

I wonder which template this thread will follow ?

1 - OP keeps up like a wasp in a bottle
2 - OP disappears having dropped their total bollocks truth bomb

(checks date and notices it's an odd number).

One case proves nothing at all. I'm perfectly willing to accept that the fraud rate is higher than government figures suggest because data collection is so woeful, but until we have high quality data I am not going to accept that PIP fraud is rife.

And of course there's also the issue that dealing with it costs money and saves pennies. This is basically a squirrel, drawing attention away from Nigel Farage and his financial association with a firm which actively encourages people to not pay their dues in tax. Strange how the benefit bashers never have any problem with those kind of practices, isn't it?

That’s known fraud, we all know that there are lots of people who claim fraudulently and are not caught

Just look at MN how many posters say don’t report when someone raises the probability someone is claiming fraudulently

The whole system needs a shake up and soon

I’ve got a significant MH history so don’t shoot me for asking this question - why do you claim PIP? In what way can the extra money be used in relation to mental ill-health? I am interested, not judging.

Yes you need medical evidence but GPs and consultants will always record what a patient reports as fact as they don't like to insinuate maligering.

@TempNameForObviousReasons please just think a little bit about what you’re saying.
Of course doctors always report what patients tell them. What else do you expect them to do? Invent stuff? It’s not a problem of doctors ‘not liking to insinuate pxs are maligering’. It’s because it’s the BASIS of medicine. Patient reports symptoms, doctors act on it. That’s what you do when you go agd see a GP. ‘I have a headache and have this weird stuff in front of my eyes, so much do I need to rest in the dark’ and … doctor diagnose migraines.

And don’t worry, doctors have no issue thinking you’re malingering. Whether it’s because you’re just ‘seeking drugs’ or ‘just a bit anxious’…. The number of times doctors refuse to believe patients is staggering, leading to many years of people suffering whikst waiting for a diagnosis or treatment.

The fact you think anyone can just fool doctors into believing anything and everything is 😂 and tells me you’ve never had to really fight fir a diagnosis or treatment tbh.

Two, then 😀 ?

I actually use my pip to pay for very expensive group personal trainer /gym sessions which i wouldn't be able to afford without it ... I also use it for the odd bouncy blow dry and to have my nails done .Doesn't make my claim claim fraudulent or mean I dont have a disability.

Oh come on.

How about: therapy in order to keep this poster well enough to be able to work? Because you know what the NHS provides in terms of talking therapy is woefully bad, short term only and with endless waiting lists. That do you?

I agree op. Serious reform is needed and I hope someone has the balls to actually do it.

Right, but you know that PIP and working are not related? You can work and earn and get the same. It is non-means tested.

Not saying there are not people abusing it, but the fact they could work has nothing to do with PIP.
That has to do with ESA or the disability element on UC, which is called ‘lower capability for work and work related activities’ or LCWR. If you get that then they will have assessed that you could not work.
It is however a different assessment from PIP.

You don't have to justify your PIP to anyone. Least of all some cowardly anonymous poster on a parenting forum where many people wear themselves to the bone and beyond caring for desperately ill people with fuck all help.

If the OP had a scintilla of genuine concern for the less able and their finances they wouldn't be posting here, they'd be volunteering to help locally where I am sure they could easily find 100 people with complex needs to match the lone example plopped (a word that is used with precise meaning) in the intro to this banger from 1979.

No need to be rude. You know nothing about me. I’m well aware of the dire state of the NHS mental health services, from personal experience. I’m asking that poster a genuine question. Disappointed to see you being like this @pointythings as I really rate your other posts about alcoholism and feel we’ve probably got some (albeit sad) things in common.

No one on this thread; on MN, or in real life owes anyone except the appropriate channels a single word about the benefits they may or may not receive.

Forms have been filled in. Levers have been put into motion. A decision has been made. and everyone can go fuck themselves if they want a justification.

And yes, I would dare on that. I would double dare.

You know people csn work with PIP ?

When medical professionals are contacted by DWP the patient isn't there. So they can't record what the patient says. Patients put down the medical professionals details on the form, then DWP ring them at a random time to ask about the patients needs and difficulties. And no medical professional is going to risk their professional registration by knowingly saying a patient has needs and issues that they haven't got. Not will they say a patient has a diagnosis they haven't got, for the same reason.

Yeah that's not the way it works ,and they Gp evidence isn't good any way the assessors will be looking to which professional, s a GP Haa referred them too and what their report says

I honestly do not think health care professionals are contacted very often.