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PIP Fraud- now even the DWP staff themselves are it!

477 replies

TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 17:34

Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

Tip of the iceberg, serious reform needed.

DWP fraudster 'with mobility issues' caught in gym after claiming £19k

Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

OP posts:
PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 18:18

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2025 18:11

He is the tax payer funding ...

He will be paying way more tax than he gets in PIP.

pointythings · 08/09/2025 18:19

Catpuss66 · 08/09/2025 17:59

Think your comment is purposeful to goad a response, is your life that sad even bad responses are better than none.

Note the quotation marks. @SerendipityJane isn't a benefits basher.

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2025 18:23

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 18:18

He will be paying way more tax than he gets in PIP.

Er, that was the point.

There is a Disabled Persons tax credit, I believe Fuck knows how that works.

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2025 18:24

pointythings · 08/09/2025 18:19

Note the quotation marks. @SerendipityJane isn't a benefits basher.

Well never say never. Maybe after the 3,000th or 4,000th thread like this, I too could become a total cunt and join in with punching down ? Lifes too short, surely ?

K0OLA1D · 08/09/2025 18:24

SerendipityJane · 08/09/2025 18:11

He is the tax payer funding ...

People forget this. Some who receive them pay tax too.

Bumblebee72 · 08/09/2025 18:28

K0OLA1D · 08/09/2025 18:24

People forget this. Some who receive them pay tax too.

Obviously he pays tax. He is still very wealthy. If he was postman his disability would have a big impact on his earnings but software development not so much.

K0OLA1D · 08/09/2025 18:43

Bumblebee72 · 08/09/2025 18:28

Obviously he pays tax. He is still very wealthy. If he was postman his disability would have a big impact on his earnings but software development not so much.

Nooooo? Really? 🙄

itsgettingweird · 08/09/2025 20:05

Everanewbie · 08/09/2025 16:19

I don't think any (many?) reasonable people equate claiming PIP to a crime.

I, and possibly quite a few other people do equate exaggerating or falsifying symptoms and abilities in order claim PIP to a crime.

They are not doing genuine claimants or the rest of the population any good and I'm disappointed at the constant need to stick up for an minimise these no good thieves.

No one who claims PIp thinks it’s ok to exaggerate lie and falsify claims.

But those who claim know how extremely difficult it is to get actual problems recognised with evidence!

What people with disabilities have a problem with is when 1 case (and it makes the news because it’s so unusual) is discovered it becomes a
green light to bash all Disabled people as workshy liars.

Latest figures show fraudulent claims this year we re 0.4%. We’ve all accepted it’s possible to round it up to 1% because there will be some cases not yet discovered.

Bit because 1 person was discovered doesn’t mean every disabled person should be attacked and accused nor that their lives should be made impossible by it.

People re have shared their stories. Unless you use a wheelchair (for example) it’s impossible to realise how much is still inaccessible.

PIP allows my ds to work. He works as a software developer so will eventually earn a wage where he pays more tax than he receives in PIP.

The PIP allows him to work for companies that allow WFH and cover the extra heating and electricity (he has no feeling in a leg and a muscle wasting condition so needs to keep warm).

PIP isn’t just a “hand out” given to people who decide they have a disability. And it’s not given to people so they don’t have to work.

People with disabilities gave barriers to things we take for granted yet despite this many still work and the PIP helps them access this.

It’s situations like the PPE contracts whereby millions were given out for no service return that cause the problems - not disabled people who contribute and pay tax.

If my ds (for example) got a tax relief for his disability rather than PIP would people feel better because he isn’t handed something physical?

itsgettingweird · 08/09/2025 20:15

schoolstruggle · 08/09/2025 17:01

Have you watched the Paralympics? Disabled people still go to the gym. One of my disabled friends is regularly in her local gym and shock horror out of her wheelchair during the session. Doesn’t make her any less disabled.

feels like a media campaign to get rid of the “useless eaters”

My neurologist at my latest appointment has highlighted that I am losing tone in my limbs and asked my GP to do a health prescription to the local gym.

Edited

My DS is a para swimmer who has competed for Britain. There are many on the team who are blind. Quadruple amputees even. And many in between.

Hos consultant has recently referred him to the specialist neurologist physios because his condition is degenerative and in her words on the referral - he has the right to get the physio he needs to allow to to keep competing at the highest level.

I agree with you that people don’t seem to understand disability.

pointythings · 08/09/2025 20:29

I agree with you that people don’t seem to understand disability.

A lot of people don't want to understand disability. It's more comfortable to point the finger of blame and call people scroungers.

User1839474 · 08/09/2025 21:11

GreenTurtles3 · 07/09/2025 18:54

I know at least 6 people who are claiming it fraudulently. Plus then their OHs claiming carers allowance to look after them.

Yeah of course you do 🙄 I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people who would claim they “know” I’m claiming fraudulently. They’re wrong and have no fucking clue about invisible illnesses and the amount of pain and fatigue I suffer with. They don’t see me struggling because I’m mostly at home! When I do make it out I don’t make a fuss about being in pain, I grit my teeth and keep going with adrenaline pulling me through for my kids sake. Then I get home and crash.

Wjy · 08/09/2025 21:44

x2boys · 08/09/2025 10:31

And ?
It's back pay why shouldn't they have a holiday?

Why is the taxpayer paying for it? This person was at the time a student doing Physics at Oxford. They got the max student loan, some money extra as well and DLA. They have plenty of money to find their university life.

They managed fine without and just used the backpay to jet off to the states with their friends.

Anyhow this is one small bit of something that's less than 1% of the gov budget.

PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 21:58

Wjy · 08/09/2025 21:44

Why is the taxpayer paying for it? This person was at the time a student doing Physics at Oxford. They got the max student loan, some money extra as well and DLA. They have plenty of money to find their university life.

They managed fine without and just used the backpay to jet off to the states with their friends.

Anyhow this is one small bit of something that's less than 1% of the gov budget.

You post about this person on multiple threads. It clearly bothers you that much. You have said that they cant be that autistic if they can study at uni and go on holiday.

They cant go back in time and spend their money on what you deem suitable. So why not use the backpay for something they enjoy.

GreenTurtles3 · 08/09/2025 22:17

User1839474 · 08/09/2025 21:11

Yeah of course you do 🙄 I wouldn’t be surprised if there are people who would claim they “know” I’m claiming fraudulently. They’re wrong and have no fucking clue about invisible illnesses and the amount of pain and fatigue I suffer with. They don’t see me struggling because I’m mostly at home! When I do make it out I don’t make a fuss about being in pain, I grit my teeth and keep going with adrenaline pulling me through for my kids sake. Then I get home and crash.

They're extended family members who I know well actually. They are very open about how easy it is to claim. Come and live in Liverpool and you'll meet hundreds doing exactly the same.

ruethewhirl · 08/09/2025 22:56

GreenTurtles3 · 08/09/2025 22:17

They're extended family members who I know well actually. They are very open about how easy it is to claim. Come and live in Liverpool and you'll meet hundreds doing exactly the same.

It's one thing to say your extended family members are doing it. Bit of a reach to claim 'hundreds' when there's no way you can substantiate that.

WibbleyPie · 08/09/2025 23:43

From reading around about this and my own experience, it seems like people want you to work, and not claim benefits, but hey not anywhere that they might come into contact with you, have to be served by you or be your colleague, because that might cause a bit of inconvenience or make people feel a bit uneasy or uncomfortable and we can't have that either. Don't expect tolerance on any level, you don't deserve it.

Perhaps if people are nasty enough and shout loud enough all the disabilities, conditions and mental illness will just vanish, I'd certainly welcome not being the way I am and I'm sure I'm not alone.

LittleCarrot12 · 09/09/2025 02:38

It makes me laugh the people who are up in arms about hidden disabilities. The people I know who are faking if aren’t assumed by me. They talk openly about it and share notes with each other on what to say at interviews.
A lot of sheltered people on here.

Gordon1958 · 09/09/2025 06:04

I knew a case of a woman claiming the high rate of mobility allowance for inability to walk far who got caught when the local paper carried a story of her winning a local marathon!

OonaStubbs · 09/09/2025 07:06

Surely the DWP staff are more likely to be able to scam the system because they know the system?

x2boys · 09/09/2025 07:19

OonaStubbs · 09/09/2025 07:06

Surely the DWP staff are more likely to be able to scam the system because they know the system?

I said something similar earlier in the thread it's fairly obvious to me!

Mollymalone123 · 09/09/2025 07:29

i provided scans X-rays and mri etc to show what was wrong with me/Inca t it’s really obvious as my legs are bowed due to waiting so long for both knees to be replaced.I don’t see how any Can commit fraud as you need a lot of evidence

TheodoreisntBeth · 09/09/2025 07:36

LittleCarrot12 · 09/09/2025 02:38

It makes me laugh the people who are up in arms about hidden disabilities. The people I know who are faking if aren’t assumed by me. They talk openly about it and share notes with each other on what to say at interviews.
A lot of sheltered people on here.

Does it occur to you that some people might lie about why they're not working, to save face? Especially to people who are judgemental about illness, especially mental illness?

Many years ago when I was on income support due to mental illness, I used to tell people I had a heart condition. I know a woman whose DD was still in nappies at 6 who used to loudly tell everyone she was too lazy to potty train her - actually the DD had a bowel condition but the mother was trying to preserve her DDs privacy so would rather people blame the parents for laziness.

Someone people lie/exaggerate, but it's not very likely to work. PIP is hard to get and they don't just take your word for it. More likely that people on PIP are lying to you about why they have it than lying to DWP and getting away with it.

dizzydizzydizzy · 09/09/2025 07:44

WibbleyPie · 08/09/2025 23:43

From reading around about this and my own experience, it seems like people want you to work, and not claim benefits, but hey not anywhere that they might come into contact with you, have to be served by you or be your colleague, because that might cause a bit of inconvenience or make people feel a bit uneasy or uncomfortable and we can't have that either. Don't expect tolerance on any level, you don't deserve it.

Perhaps if people are nasty enough and shout loud enough all the disabilities, conditions and mental illness will just vanish, I'd certainly welcome not being the way I am and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Good point! I have certainly seen posts on MN about the inconvenience of working with people with disabilities or chronic health conditions. The irony!

dizzydizzydizzy · 09/09/2025 07:53

GreenTurtles3 · 08/09/2025 22:17

They're extended family members who I know well actually. They are very open about how easy it is to claim. Come and live in Liverpool and you'll meet hundreds doing exactly the same.

They are not telling you the truth if they said it’s easy to claim. If you read this thread, there are lots of us who have said how hard it is. I took a week off work to fill out the form and then still had to put in MANY hours of work to gather evidence. Then there is a grueling health assement - mine was 3 hours.

Freud2 · 09/09/2025 07:54

LittleCarrot12 · 09/09/2025 02:38

It makes me laugh the people who are up in arms about hidden disabilities. The people I know who are faking if aren’t assumed by me. They talk openly about it and share notes with each other on what to say at interviews.
A lot of sheltered people on here.

Totally agree. I know people on a personal level who are scamming the system. Also in my job as a counsellor I see people who are claiming PIP for mild anxiety and are exaggerating wildly on their assessment form.