PIP Fraud- now even the DWP staff themselves are it!

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Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

Tip of the iceberg, serious reform needed.

My ds used some of his PIp to get hos
wheelchair frame purple instead of the nhs black!!!! (£140)

im sure many people will be totally horrified.

I will also pay them the £140 if they take his upper motor neurone condition and use his wheelchair all day everyday and missing the things he can’t access- because he’d much rather not have the money than have the disability.

Yes it does. No matter what all the Fraud Apologists say it is a massive problem. If we all know people who are happy to talk about being on the fiddle then it must be widespread.

No because crime is illegal.

Claiming PiP is not!

It is illegal if you exaggerate and lie!

Which is a very small amount of people.
Can you please stop viewing ALL PIP claimants as committing some sort of crime.

I don't think any (many?) reasonable people equate claiming PIP to a crime.

I, and possibly quite a few other people do equate exaggerating or falsifying symptoms and abilities in order claim PIP to a crime.

They are not doing genuine claimants or the rest of the population any good and I'm disappointed at the constant need to stick up for an minimise these no good thieves.

Exaggerating and lying on a PIP application doesn’t work due to the massive mountain of evidence you need. Many PPs including me have written about this on here.

Last submission I made (remember you can't do it online, and there are no official forms to download) was 55 pages. Every single descriptor had 2 separate pieces of scanned documentation (which is why getting hard copies of all and any correspondence is essential).

That was topped and tailed with the claimants name,.DOB and NI Number on every page along with a "Page x of y" count to discourage any "loss" of pages to slow the process down.

And lots of people might try this but it doesn't get then anywhere
Do you really think they just take your word for it with no evidence??
My son has well documented evidence of his disabilities, for his last renewal i sent in a copy of his EHCP
A copy of his individual learning plan
A copy of the most up to date Paediatrician letter
A copy of the restraint plan his special school use
And his teacher in his special school wrote in the bit for somebody who knows the child
It's laughable that people think you don't Needd professional evidence.

Of course it's not every claimant but if you look at the figures of people now claiming - they've practically quadrupled. I really can't believe that that many people have now become disabled. And don't blame covid resulting in that more mental illness. This isn't the case with any other European country.

Lots of people make applications, it doesn't mean they are successful.

Some of those claiming will include DLA transfers

This thread is about claiming PIP fraudulently. Maybe part of the problem is that people don't really see that as a crime any more.

And I own and run a business. My accounts are audited, I have to provide invoice upon invoice, they look at everything, everywhere, as they should. I am absolutely paying the correct amount of tax, legally and morally. Does that mean everyone else who owns a business is doing the same? Just because I know I do it the right way doesn’t mean I don’t understand that others in my situation might not.

The figures I'm talking about are people that are actually now receiving PIP.

OP has had a go at someone using their PIP money to go on a short break to get away from a local fireworks display. That person is doing nothing wrong. PIP can be used how you like. They are not committing any sort of fraud.
This thread and the others like them are just seeking to demonise anyone who claims.

I don’t disagree, there are some sections of society who have an over reliance on the welfare system. But there is definitely an imbalance in the amount of coverage PIP fraud gets compared to that of the rich. For what it’s worth, I also don’t think the answer is to “fix the system” but to improve our shoddy and outdated education system so more and more people see the benefit of working hard. This doesn’t need to mean memorising loads of facts! That and grass root support in deprived communities which have all been eroded since 2008.

Making the welfare system more difficult to access only papers over the consequences and makes life more difficult for our most vulnerable, rather than fixing the cause.

Your missing the point which is if you don't have professional evidence you are unlikely to get anywhere with your DLA/PIP application.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/disability-eu-facts-figures/

The UK has a disability rate of 21.7%, which is absolutely not the highest in Europe. It also has one of the lowest rates of financial support.

But don't let the facts get in your way, @Freud2 .

The biggest driver is demographic - we have an ageing population, like most developed nations.

Our population has also increased by nearly 10 million since 2000,that's bound to have an affect too

No, I am not missing the point. I run my business properly and pay the required amount of tax. I am audited and my accounts looked over very closely. I have no idea how people get away with dodgy accounting because I just can’t see how I would be able to. Does that mean they aren’t? Obviously not! Just because you are following the rules and playing fair with the system doesn’t mean that others are. That is the point.

No, the problem is the misconception that absolutely hordes of people are claiming PIP fraudulently, and it's all about whipping up hate for disabled people. This thread is nothing new. There have been hundreds like it. And oddly enough, nobody seems to want to swap their lives for the cshy 'disabled' lifestyle. Strange, that.

Well either they have evidence or they don't and I don't just mean a generic letter from the GP if they don't have any they are unlikely to get anywhere

Have you watched the Paralympics? Disabled people still go to the gym. One of my disabled friends is regularly in her local gym and shock horror out of her wheelchair during the session. Doesn’t make her any less disabled.

feels like a media campaign to get rid of the “useless eaters”

My neurologist at my latest appointment has highlighted that I am losing tone in my limbs and asked my GP to do a health prescription to the local gym.

But you haven’t reported them I take it?