Page 12 | PIP Fraud- now even the DWP staff themselves are it!

x2boys · 08/09/2025 10:46

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 10:39

If this person had been meeting disability costs from savings etc then this reimbursement should rightly be spent on whatever they like. If they hadn’t incurred any costs and this is just free money, then it shouldn’t be given. It of course isn’t ‘pay’ under any circumstances!

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You may not like it but people can spend their DLA/ PIP in whatever they want you can stamp your feet all you want but you don't get a say in what people choose to spend it on or any back pay due
Also it's non means tested so you could have millions in the bank and still be entitled if eligible.

Kreepture · 08/09/2025 10:48

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 10:39

If this person had been meeting disability costs from savings etc then this reimbursement should rightly be spent on whatever they like. If they hadn’t incurred any costs and this is just free money, then it shouldn’t be given. It of course isn’t ‘pay’ under any circumstances!

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Do you understand what that 'back pay' is for?

They award you from the day you made the claim, the 'back pay' covers the weeks/months it's taken to process from that date.

They do the same for UC when you make a claim, and used to do it for Job Seekers too.

Should they all also just suck up the costs they've swallowed while waiting for bureaucracy to move at it's snails pace?

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 10:52

TigerRag · 08/09/2025 10:44

You're not asked on the form about extra costs. It's purely based on needs

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Which is why spending is so out of control.

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 10:53

Kreepture · 08/09/2025 10:48

Do you understand what that 'back pay' is for?

They award you from the day you made the claim, the 'back pay' covers the weeks/months it's taken to process from that date.

They do the same for UC when you make a claim, and used to do it for Job Seekers too.

Should they all also just suck up the costs they've swallowed while waiting for bureaucracy to move at it's snails pace?

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I think you misread my post.

pointythings · 08/09/2025 10:57

x2boys · 08/09/2025 09:51

What do you think back pay should be used for?

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My DS used his for a wheelchair that genuinely suited him, as opposed to the cheapie he had been making do with. Look up how much a good wheelchair costs, even a self propelling one.

MoveOverToTheSea · 08/09/2025 11:09

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 10:52

Which is why spending is so out of control.

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😂😂
any idea of how much more it cost to live as a disabled person?
And then, who is going to decide what is worth the ‘extra cost’? Are we supposed to be back to ‘the bare minimum is enough if you’re disabled’?

Most of my PIP goes into medication/supplements.
None if it would be deemed ‘worthy’ by ‘authorities’. Simply Because Theres no treatment for my condition so on paper, nothing I’m taking is worthy. And yet, it helps and is making more able - so I get daily living rather than enhanced daily living…

I know someone who is using some of her PIP for hairdressing and having her nails done. Why? This is her way to feel mentally well. That’s what helps her deal with several pretty shit illnesses that will not get better.

So yes dint judge. Disabled people aren’t rolling in it. Their quality of life is crap by default. Stop being jealous because you think theyre getting ‘stuff for free’. Well unless you’re also willing to give up your health too? Like struggling to walk, unable to go out, having issues breathing maybe. Then be my guest. You’ll learn that you won’t able to enjoy all those ‘excesses’ nearly as much.

MoveOverToTheSea · 08/09/2025 11:10

OonaStubbs · 07/09/2025 22:18

Anyone convicted of benefit fraud should be permanently disqualified from claiming any kind of benefit. Including the state pension.

So you want to kill disabled people?
Nice …..

curliegirlie · 08/09/2025 11:17

I am amazed from this thread quite how many people have such intimate knowledge of a) the benefits made and received by and b) the full medical picture, including impacts on their lives of various neighbours and acquaintances they don’t seem to remotely respect 🤷‍♀️

TigerRag · 08/09/2025 11:19

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 10:52

Which is why spending is so out of control.

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No it's out of control because of the long waiting lists and the amount of people who are having to appeal

And because some bright spark decided that we shouldn't have lifetime awards just incase some of us with disabilities that we were born with are suddenly cured.

x2boys · 08/09/2025 11:36

pointythings · 08/09/2025 10:57

My DS used his for a wheelchair that genuinely suited him, as opposed to the cheapie he had been making do with. Look up how much a good wheelchair costs, even a self propelling one.

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I'm sure it costs a fair bit I used my sons back pay on new beds ,furniture a clothes dryer ,that's my point you can use it o. Whatever you want.

Deepbluesea1 · 08/09/2025 11:37

TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 17:34

Clifford Redman, 57, claimed he had severe mobility issues and needed daily help - but he was caught out after being filmed going to the gym and on long walks https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2105390/dwp-fraudster-claimed-19k-caught-gym

Tip of the iceberg, serious reform needed.

try harder. 🥱

pointythings · 08/09/2025 12:14

x2boys · 08/09/2025 11:36

I'm sure it costs a fair bit I used my sons back pay on new beds ,furniture a clothes dryer ,that's my point you can use it o. Whatever you want.

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Sorry, I aimed the quote at the wrong person. People don't understand, or don't want to know, how massive the range of disabilities and their impact is. My DS needs a wheelchair to travel any kind of distance. On bad days he needs it to get around his flat. He subluxes or fully dislocates things daily. His conditions are complex and multi faceted. In the data, you would find him counted under autism and depression - but he gets his PIP for the total of his disabilities and how they affect him. He got a 10 year award first time of applying.

stillhiding1990 · 08/09/2025 12:40

TempNameForObviousReasons · 07/09/2025 18:19

I don't need another example, since this example alone, the one where a DWP assessor himself has been caught committing fraud, proves my point.

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That doesn’t prove it’s the tip of iceberg though?

Tessisme · 08/09/2025 14:23

HappyNewTaxYear · 08/09/2025 10:34

My goodness. I was in hospital with someone who was similarly badly affected by OCD. I’m so sorry you and your son are going through this and really hope things get better for you soon.

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Thank you so much.

LakieLady · 08/09/2025 14:54

If the DWP stopped refusing claims that should be approved, people wouldn't be waiting for 15 months or more to go through tribunals and the large arrears payments wouldn't happen.

One of my colleagues won a PIP appeal last week and the arrears from that will be over £24k.

pointythings · 08/09/2025 15:07

stillhiding1990 · 08/09/2025 12:40

That doesn’t prove it’s the tip of iceberg though?

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Quite. One case, however bad, proves nothing. The plural.of anecdote is not data.

Praying4Peace · 08/09/2025 15:34

Bringmeahigherlove · 07/09/2025 18:08

Some people definitely do fraud the system but it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the tax evasion of multi millionaires and their companies. That doesn’t get spoken about very much though….I wonder why?

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They are 2 very different scenarios.
Undoubtedly tax evasion is wrong and needs to be addressed.
The misuse and abuse of the benefit system is staggering with jaw dropping expectations and entitlement by some. I know this as I know people who are doing it. The people I am referring to see it as a lifelong entitlement and it isn't clear to me why they cannot work.
I totally support the benefits systems as an interim measure whilst someone cannot work and for those with disabilities that mean they cannot work and need support.
In reality, it has become a way of life for some in the same way that working and getting paid a salary is a way of life for others.

Happyher · 08/09/2025 15:37

Most benefit fraud is caused by organised crime, not by disabled people being able to walk a few yards more than they declared

Praying4Peace · 08/09/2025 15:38

Everlore · 08/09/2025 01:19

It is very depressing to see yet another predictable disabled benefits-bashing thread on here, rife with posters opining on a subject about which they obviously know so little.
As I always say on these threads, I'm always surprised by the apparent willingness of the, I'm sure not at all imaginary, benefit fraudsters who so many posters on this thread definitely know, to share full and minute details of their benefit fraud with these nosy and judgemental busybodies. Their desire to be so trustingly garrulous about their alleged deliberate law-breaking to any nosy parker that asks is quite unexpected. The dreadful cynic in me might wonder whether these posters reporting on the dozens of, completely existent, gleefully blatant and absolutely not fabricated fraudsters really are privy to every detail of their PIP application and award process or whether these curtain-twitchers are just spying on their neighbours putting the bins out while supposedly claiming PIP and deciding this definitely means they're big liars who definitely have no physical or health issues.
I see other posters have had to put others right about PIP not being a means-tested or out of work benefit so I don't have to retread that particular boring old furrow.
However, I did wish to address some remarks to the posters demanding to know what legitimate costs disabled people could really have that aren't/couldn't be covered by the NHS and which PIP pays for.
While I think it's ridiculous to ask every disabled person to account for all the extra costs of their disability with which PIP helps as we already have enough life admin due to our disabilities, but I am happy to discuss my own situation if it might help some of the posters on this thread who have been privileged enough not to have to navigate the world with a disability and who also seemingly lack the imagination or empathy to fathom what it might be like to do so.
I have been completely blind since birth and also have restricted movement in multiple joints due to developing severe juvenile rheumatoid arthritis as an infant. I work, but I am able to do so thanks to a very understanding employer who has been willing to put in the money, time and resources to make the job accessible to me and thanks to the technologies and extra support which PIP allows me to pay for which allows me to actually get to work and maintain myself at home. The NHS is not going to pay for the adaptive technology which allows me to use my computer and phone, equipment around the flat which allows me to manage in the kitchen, bathroom, etc., extra support I need to carry out daily tasks which often, even with the wonderful technology we have now, are difficult or impossible without sight, support with caring for my baby and getting to appointments, shopping, handling post and a myriad of other things which sighted people will take for granted. None of this comes under the heading of healthcare so I don't know why anyone would expect the NHS to pay for it.
I hope this will help broaden the horizons of some posters on this very thread who don't seem to be able to fathom that adaptations for disabled people might encompass anything beyond wheelchairs and hoists.

Thank you for sharing and your story is a shining example of someone who should receive all necessary benefits and adjustments to support them

itsgettingweird · 08/09/2025 15:52

TigerRag · 08/09/2025 10:02

I used to use some of my pip for a holiday because there's a firework championship near me every year and I find the loud noise painful.

I've now moved and don't hear it

And then there's those with physical disabilities who use their pip for holidays because they need adapted accommodation. Their holidays would be much cheaper if they weren't disabled

And remembering by using PIP the money is being put back into the economy - people forget that part!

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 16:03

itsgettingweird · 08/09/2025 15:52

And remembering by using PIP the money is being put back into the economy - people forget that part!

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You hear this often on mumsnet and it’s nonsense. Would you say this of the proceeds of crime? Oh it’s not so bad because they’re spending the cash from the jewellery they nicked in the cafe and nail bar on the high street.

Everanewbie · 08/09/2025 16:04

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Bumblebee72 · 08/09/2025 16:07

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 16:03

You hear this often on mumsnet and it’s nonsense. Would you say this of the proceeds of crime? Oh it’s not so bad because they’re spending the cash from the jewellery they nicked in the cafe and nail bar on the high street.

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So true. It could be used to justify anything. Benefit fraudsters aren't some kind of Robin Hood figure doing us a favour. If someone broke into their house and stole their TV I bet they wouldn't see that as some hero of the local economy.

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TempNameForObviousReasons · 08/09/2025 16:09

TigerRag · 08/09/2025 10:11

I have a pair. But I'm not wearing them for 2-3 hours 2 days in a row

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No, you will just swan off on holiday at the taxpayers expense instead!

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PreciousLittleLifeForms · 08/09/2025 16:09

Pavingprincess · 08/09/2025 16:03

You hear this often on mumsnet and it’s nonsense. Would you say this of the proceeds of crime? Oh it’s not so bad because they’re spending the cash from the jewellery they nicked in the cafe and nail bar on the high street.

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Totally different. Claiming PIP is not a crime.