To think the men women need protecting from aren’t asylum seekers but the ones shouting outside the hotels?

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I read in the Guardian this week that 40% of the men arrested during last year’s racist riots had already been reported to police for domestic abuse. That stat hasn’t left my mind.
It makes me think that the men standing outside asylum hotels claiming to “protect” women are often the very ones we need protecting from.

AIBU to think the real danger isn’t coming from migrants, it’s coming from the violent, radicalised men already here who use women’s safety as a smokescreen?

I totally agree with you. While I am sure that there is a risk from ‘foreign men’ like all men to women, there has been proved to be a disproportionate amount in these riots/protests. My view is that all of this is a losing battle which is frankly terrifying.

On one side there are proven to be disproportionate amounts of wife beaters, also no doubt racists due to the people arranging them and also people that enjoy/are fueled by/happy with the aggressive nature of these protests. Many of these people that join these protests from their local pubs/after a drink so again further increasing the likelihood of the men frequenting them to not have family commitments with wives/kids etc and possibly not to have more professional jobs that would be at risk if they were to be found to be attending. These men will often say what others won’t and will shout loud with unambiguous views.

But the other side that may be ‘opposing’ often realise that the arguments are sensitive and nuanced. That there will be issues with integration of immigrants as that’s natural. That different treatment of women from these immigrants home countries can be problematic. That people who have lost everything have different standards and needs. But they still support granting asylum and know the economic and societal need for immigrants.

Not such a clear cut and simple ‘message’ to shout and chant though.

Also it can seemed steeped in ‘check your privilege’ which can hold people back from commenting.

The online discussions are now so quickly personal that ‘don’t wrestle with a pig’ springs to mind.

Unfortunately if people aren’t willing to dig a little deeper and do their own research they only hear the first side which is horrifying. Or they hear the mixed messages of the other side being unclear or ‘wishy washy’. So the busy or uneducated are at risk of falling into the first group.

Stella Artois and cocaine is a powerful combination.

And far more of a threat to anyone than your average asylum seeker.

This ^ scans like it’s ai generated.

If I saw a group of red-faced hotel protestors huffing and puffing down the street towards me, I'd high-tail it out of there. I doubt I'd even notice a group of asulym seekers. But of course they don't actually care about women and children, they just use us as ammo to fuel for their own hatred, as it ever was

We all know that women and girls are at greatest danger from men they know and live with, Our fathers, husbands, brothers and sons are all a threat. Men as a class are dangerous to women. Yes, of course, there are lots of decent men, I would like to see those decent men dealing with their siblings, sons, colleagues, and friends to make it social suicide to be a thug or a danger to women.

We just don't need to add to their numbers with men from cultures who have even less respect for women than our home grown thugs. You don't let foxes in the henhouse.

All men coming in through the asylum/economic migrant route without identification should be held securely until status and identity confirmed. Any with any criminal records instantly rejected.
In the absence of that, I did think that some of the deserted holiday camps around the country would be a good temporary place, give them materials to make good their own accommodation, rather than hotels, it would keep them busy and until status confirmed provide a roof over their head. Enterprising young men with skills would soon get them up and running.

The men protesting outside asylum hotels are probably bad news for women, by and large.

Importing lots of young men from cultures which treat women abysmally is probably bad news for women, by and large.

Both of these things can be true. You don't always have to pick a tribe.

@cobrakaieaglefang yes.

Not a single solitary soul should be at any liberty to mix with us unless they have papers/permissions checks done.
Is that to much to ask from any government ?
Especially when it's self selecting young men and we are passive and just have to cope with it?

If all these men were sending on older adults with women and children. Everyone would be safe wouldn't they.

"Not a single solitary soul should be at any liberty to mix with us unless they have papers/permissions checks done. Is that too much to ask from any government?"

In 2024, 42.5 million tourists visited the UK. Do you want background checks on them?

YABU. You're arguing about whether women need protecting and restraint/special provisions from men, but not asking WHY this protection is necessary. What if we reframe this to say that misogyny is unacceptable, and then define how a society free from misogyny would look?

Haha come off it - you think men in Dubai respect women? Have you not heard of the porta parties?!

*sorry responded to the wrong comment!! (Csnt work out how to delete!)

Oh come off it 😆 would you be happy with 59 young men from Afghanistan living next door to you/your teenage daughters?

maybe look up the stats of most prevalent sex offenders…

This is surely a joke? We do not have British men concerned about their wives sisters and daughters outside these hotels at all! A high proportion of those very men have convictions for violence against women and girls. If they felt so very passionately about women’s rights they’d be campaigning for victims of sexual and domestic violence to get better justice. If they GENUINELY cared about women they would be holding white perpetrators to account, they would be holding those amongst them to account. But they aren’t, because the reason they’re outside these hotels hotels had nothing to do with women’s safety, and everything to do with racism.

I think it is men we need to be worried about. Brown , white, holder of a foreign or domestic passport.

White men?

Both are a danger, but why are we inviting more dangerous people here?

Yes, this. ^

Totally agree. I know which ones I’d want near my DDs!

I don’t have 59 asylum seekers from Afghanistan living anywhere near me or my teenage son. I don’t know anyone that does either. And out of those 59 people how many of those will be sex offenders?

I am, however, within earshot (living near to a flag shagging footy pub) of an awful lot of white British men who are drunk, high on cocaine and will probably be not particularly nice people either.

Private Eye gets it.

Well stop having relationships with them, why is women thinking being more and more taken away from them women habe choices if they want to stay deluded that he is wonderful and a great catch and let's have children together the father will be ag great role model

It would appear with this thinking men are the brainy ones woman are not?

Open your eyes if a man shows you who he is beleive him and wake up

It's not either or it's both. Men of all ethnicities and cultures abuse women.

This.

Exactly this. The stats have been twisted so people believe 40% of anti immigration male protesters are convicted domestic abusers, when they show nothing of the sort. I wonder if a similar deep dive has been done into the backgrounds of the arrested counter protesters? it'd be very interesting to compare.

How do you know they are high on cocaine?

Yanbu. I've been sexually assaulted many times when I was younger. Always by white British men. Can we deport those fuckers, please. But honestly as PP has said, it's men that are the problem. They are all a problem. I certainly wouldn't look to those scumbags kicking off outside hotels to protect me.