To think the men women need protecting from aren’t asylum seekers but the ones shouting outside the hotels?

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I read in the Guardian this week that 40% of the men arrested during last year’s racist riots had already been reported to police for domestic abuse. That stat hasn’t left my mind.
It makes me think that the men standing outside asylum hotels claiming to “protect” women are often the very ones we need protecting from.

AIBU to think the real danger isn’t coming from migrants, it’s coming from the violent, radicalised men already here who use women’s safety as a smokescreen?

I think women need protecting from lots of men in general!

YABVVVVVU.

It’s been said often enough that you must know you aren’t alone in thinking that.
personally I don’t like to discriminate… it’s all men that are the issue 🙃

I think you’re being a bit silly to attempt to compartmentalise it like that. The risk to women comes overwhelmingly from men. Men of all ages, ethnicities, political and religious beliefs, social and economic classes and nationalities.

Attempting to simplify it into ‘this group are fine but that group are dangerous’ makes your argument just as daft as the lot claiming that all migrants are dangerous.

Seeing as though the man in the hotel that’s been the centre of so much news recently has been found guilty of several counts of sexual assault, it’s fair to say some are clearly a danger to women, as sadly are some men outside the hotel. I genuinely think it’s going too far to automatically label all men a danger to women, some of us really are ok

So many women have crimes committed against them by white men and other men turn a blind eye to it and either excuse it or defend it. They all play blind until someone of a different colour commits a crime against women then it's a problem.

Yanbu.

Why?

YANBU. It’s funny how men of this country have been unwilling to call out their own friends, brothers, colleagues when they have known them to behave badly towards women, but as soon as there’s a chance of it being a brown person it’s important enough to protest over.

Both types can Fuck Off And Die as far as I'm concerned.

Both, probably.

I sort of get fed up with both sides pretending their men aren't the ones attacking women when its both. Are we supposed to shut up about male violence if its men on our political team, so that it doesn't embarrass the cause? We're being simultaneously being used AND erased.

Why is this phrased as an either/or?

I would say that the men that women should be protected from by the state INCLUDE the men shouting outside hotels as a sex class, as male.

This. Some of the protesters are bad men. That doesn't mean that some of the asylum seekers are not also bad men.

Honestly, I don’t think it’s possible to compartmentalise by any category - a significant minority of men (being generous, as I believe even the ‘good ones’ are often socialised to consider women lesser) do not like or respect women and some of those men mean us harm.

It's always bloody men whether a British citizen or an asylum seeker.

So inside the hotels we have men from third world countries with extremely dubious views on women.

Outside the hotels we have British men (and women too) concerned about their wives, sisters and daughters.

Yet you, in some perverse effort at moral grandstanding, assert that it's the latter who are more dangerous to women.

If we follow your logic then once all the British men have been replaced by third world migrants we will be the safest country on Earth.

This is where "critical thinking" has got us. People who cannot see the wood for the trees.

The OP didn't say anything about all British men shrs referring to the ones rioting outside migrant hostels. Your argument is nonsense.

Yep. Please keep the angry gammons away!! 💯

Because of the incidences of sexual assault.,.

Those who shout the loudest usually have the most to hide.

It’s not nonsense,it makes perfect sense.

DD recently returned from a month touring round places such as Sri Lanka, Dubai, parts of the Indian sub continent, I know it’s not the areas the asylum seekers come from, but the thing she noticed above all else was how she was effectively ignored by the men in these countries when she ordered anything or paid for things, they always asked her partner if it was alright to proceed, outside of countries considered western, women are definitely still second class citizens and not respected

There is a much higher rate of domestic violence amongst men arrested for violent protests than in the general population so you are indeed correct