To think Farage surely has to go

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So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man.

The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings

While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

A flock of agitators?

I prefer pack.

I mean, you can both ignore the other points in my post if you like. Doesn’t really help your ‘argument’ though. And makes it less likely anyone will want to bother engaging. Maybe that’s what you want?

Wow! This is really interesting…

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/employment-status-manual/esm4138a

For those who can’t be bothered to read it, there is an example of a broadcast journalist with their own personal service company. Similar situation to Farage at GB news but earning less than his £400,000.

it concludes “ Outcome – Jo is likely to be employedMutuality of obligation ESM4133Under the arrangement with Jo’s company, there is a contract with OOS for work in return for payment. There is an obligation to provide work for the contracted days or pay for those days if no work is provided. There is a work/pay bargain.”

A gaggle of agitators

Sorry @cardibach , was your point that KS is a statesmen? I’d probably agree with that, he’s done quite well on the international stage. Domesticity, very poor.

And yet…
They've done or are underway with most of their pledges. This website is the one which seems to show least done. Full Fact have them doing much better. Thanks for recognising the international work though - most of which is in addition to pledges as the crises have erupted post election…https://pledgeprogress.co.uk

Funny. Seems I've hit a nerve with 'agitator'. It's the most accurate description of what he is.
As for my hand... no issues showing it. It's firmly signalling 'stop Reform'.

Does it matter what is used on mn? It’s what people think in the electorate and so far people don’t rate Starmer or Labour well at all

Is that possibly because of relentless negative press ignoring any progress on election pledges? See above for details.

An opinion blog? I don’t think that oft linked site will do much.

People can see what Labour are doing, or not, with their own experience.

It’s not an opinion blog. But ok. Full Fact have done one which is more complimentary if you would prefer.

Interesting… this is pretty good isn’t it? And yet there seems little publicity - this is what more people need to see surely?

in fact that whole site is very enlightening and worth a read.

No one is feeling a positive impact from anything they’re doing. My colleagues working in insolvency are seeing a massive increase in work load, many of my clients have recruitment freezes.redundancies and low.non existent pay rises. How manny of those asylum seekers have been refused? How many now living permanently here with insufficient checks and no solid plan to ensure they integrate?

I get that completely; and I too have not “seen” things change in the last year apart from the rise of Reform and this anti migrant sentiment. But I do think it’s a big ship to turn around and the chaos of the last 14 years which includes the bombshells of Brexit and covid can’t be turned around fast. Brexit in particular is responsible for much of what we see now - how can this government suddenly solve that one? I’m no apologist for this government,
however I do think we should look beyond the press and social media headlines to try and understand what they really are doing. Not all right of course- the WFA thing was a fiasco- but overall we are on. much better path than previously. The world has really changed and the pressures on the UK are really different what from what we’ve faced before. We need to stop attacking each other.

I do think we should look beyond the press and social media headlines to try and understand what they really are doing.

Exactly this @Fleetheart thank you.

The alternative is the Daily Mail / Express headlines winding everyone up with false news.

The point is that the economy (and the mess left by that disastrous Brexit) is the problem to solve. Immigration, especially refugees, is not the core issue. Of course it has to be sustainable but it's not 'got out of hand' as some would have you believe. It's all a distraction. Identity politics is there to give people who 'are' [insert nationality] the feeling that they will always be superior to those who 'are not', because that's the only thing they've got going for them. If you think about it, it's never in the interest of those who use identity politics to solve any other problem, right? Identity wars are actually what their whole support relies on. It's in their interest to keep on stoking that fire forever.
Anyway, going back for more shit brought to us by the same people behind the initial load of shit who already tricked us once seems especially perverse.

Labour’s policies have hit SMEs, they can’t blame it all on other things.

@StandFirm - exactly! the number of refugees/ asylum seekers and the costs associated are small
beer compared to the economic problems that need to be solved. But NF is using this distraction and the rise of populism to distract from the real problems which the government needs to focus on

A Labour supporter accusing other parties of identity politics is a bit rich.

When net immigration regularly gets to 1% of the population annually then it’s out of hand.

Totally agree @StandFirm

like I said; it will take some time to turn around; every single government has struggled
wirh immigration- reason: it’s unpopular but we don’t have enough people to sustain our institutions (ie our much loved NHS and our much loved pension) without this influx. I agree it needs to be limited and provision for housing needs to be sorted. But blaming immigrants themselves and the divisive anti invader sentiments we have seen recently is not the way to go.

Those 14 years of “chaos” are beginning to look like the salad days.

What does that say about Farage then? who still trails Starmer on who makes the best PM ?

The thread poll is v representative, 34% think he should stay, mirroring the national polls on Reform.