Page 12 | To think Farage surely has to go

OneKookyShark · 2025-09-05T12:50:59+00:00

So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man. The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story [[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings]] While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

1dayatatime · 06/09/2025 09:23

HellsBalls · 06/09/2025 07:23

She’s literally resigned because she did wrong, and yet still people are trying to protect her.

Ahh but she's:

Left wing
Working class
Was a single mum
Came from a council estate
A woman
It's all a right wing institutional plot to get rid of her
etc etc

Or alternatively she deliberately (and illegally) tried to evade £40k of tax liability, firstly claimed to have done nothing wrong, then admitted she underpaid, then blamed it on poor tax advice (which then turned out there was no tax advice), then tried the sympathy angle of a disabled child (but then chose to buy a flat even further away from her disabled son) and also used some of the medical compensation fund for her disabled son to buy the new flat in Hove.

So yeah she's really been persecuted by the misogynist right wing white male dark forces...

chachahide · 06/09/2025 09:23

All the evidence I’ve seen suggests she knew exactly what she was doing and went against advice.

I don’t want someone running the country who can’t or wont take advice on matters of finance and governance!

As for him, his party doesn’t stand for increasing tax and the welfare state like hers does. Then she doesn’t want to pay the tax for it! The hypocrisy. All your poor people can pay the tax for our policies but not me!

Newmum738 · 06/09/2025 09:24

He’s Teflon. I can’t see anything sticking no matter how low it is.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 06/09/2025 09:31

1dayatatime · 06/09/2025 09:23

Ahh but she's:

Left wing
Working class
Was a single mum
Came from a council estate
A woman
It's all a right wing institutional plot to get rid of her
etc etc

Or alternatively she deliberately (and illegally) tried to evade £40k of tax liability, firstly claimed to have done nothing wrong, then admitted she underpaid, then blamed it on poor tax advice (which then turned out there was no tax advice), then tried the sympathy angle of a disabled child (but then chose to buy a flat even further away from her disabled son) and also used some of the medical compensation fund for her disabled son to buy the new flat in Hove.

So yeah she's really been persecuted by the misogynist right wing white male dark forces...

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Yes the hypocrisy from her supporters is amazing, predictable but amazing. It’s always the same with left wing people,

Kirova · 06/09/2025 09:44

I don't like Farage and I'm also sick of seeing him everywhere. (To be honest, I'd consider moving to Clacton just to get a break from him.) But I think saying that he's virtually a Nazi is a bit ridiculous. Likewise, he may be xenophobic but calling him National Front / racist is a bit OTT.

Q2C4 · 06/09/2025 09:47

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 06/09/2025 09:20

Tax planning is to avoid tax. What are you taking about?

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I’m using the definitions that HMRC and the courts use.

Tax planning is obviously fine as it’s what parliament intended. Tax avoidance is exploiting loopholes to get a tax result never intended by parliament.

HMRC can challenge tax avoidance schemes as abusive and in some cases can go back 20 years to do so. They can’t challenge tax planning.

It’s an important distinction.

PhuckTrump · 06/09/2025 09:49

Kirova · 06/09/2025 09:44

I don't like Farage and I'm also sick of seeing him everywhere. (To be honest, I'd consider moving to Clacton just to get a break from him.) But I think saying that he's virtually a Nazi is a bit ridiculous. Likewise, he may be xenophobic but calling him National Front / racist is a bit OTT.

To be honest, I'd consider moving to Clacton just to get a break from him.

Nailed it. 😂

Serpentstooth · 06/09/2025 10:59

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 06/09/2025 09:31

Yes the hypocrisy from her supporters is amazing, predictable but amazing. It’s always the same with left wing people,

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Indeed. We Lefties were loud in our support for Partygate, the PPE awards, the 'I was resting my eyes (by risking the lives of myself, my wife and son)' twaddle, Nadim's chilly horses, golden wallpaper freebie groceries, a vomitarium jn No 10, supermarket trollies full of booze and Boris is a god among men who can do no wrong.. Hurrah for all of it. Bloody well done the lot of you. We're on a par with the hypocrisy of the Right,

cardibach · 06/09/2025 11:17

Onwardspeople · 06/09/2025 06:05

AR didn’t “make a mistake”. Literally, a quick google shows very clearly that in her circumstances, second home stamp duty is payable. That is undeniable. The valuation of said home also looks somewhat iffy as does the fact that she claimed to be “doing it for her children” whilst buying a property hundreds of miles away from them. If she needs to be near her London office, she has a grace and favour apartment for that.
I couldn’t give a fig that she’s a Northern woman and working class. I am too, but I pay my taxes.
But as for Reform? Anyone who reads their manifesto and can use a basic calculator can see it’s all pie in the sky. So I don’t know where we go from here?
Personally, I think we need a budget, now. Delaying until November is just increasing uncertainty and speculation. Just tell us so we know!

I’m sick of this ‘a quick google shows it’s easy’ nonsense. If that is the case, why did 2 different legal professionals, both in possession of the full facts, say otherwise, as well as suggesting it needed a more expert eye?
She made a mistake. She admitted it, referred herself for investigation and resigned. Better than most politicians who have been on the wrong side of financial (and other) laws in the not too distant past.

Goldenbear · 06/09/2025 11:23

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 22:35

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Ridiculous, the hypocrisy!

Goldenbear · 06/09/2025 11:25

lonelyplanetmum · 06/09/2025 07:02

Angela Rayner had a genuinely complicated stamp duty situation which has been spun incorrectly by the press and many posters.

She was buying a main home to live in with her partner, but also post divorce had a trust set up so she could protect her disabled child’s future provision. Yes she should have taken proper advice but trusts are very complicated. It would be easy to think the Hove flat would be her only main home. I agree politicians should err on the side of caution. She should have paid the maximum amount even if it was arguable. But her situation is no where near as bad as the following examples :

•	Farage’s constant shabby murky dealings. It is not just his property ownership arrangements.  We have short memories has everyone forgotten the detail of the illegal funding of a £450k “gift/loan” from Arron Banks? 
•	The blatant Tory profiteering from dodgy Covid contracts worth billions.
•	Or what about Rees-Mogg profiting millions from pushing for Brexit whilst planning for his firm to bet against the pound to profit hugely from the ensuing chaos?

It has always been the case that there is a huge double standard. Labour are held to higher standards than the Tories. Always.

My theory is that there’s a class psychology involved. There’s a misplaced belief that the Tory masters may show shrewd sharp practice but they will do right by the underclass who serve them loyally. It’s sort of viewed through a distorted lens, like an aristocrat looking after staff on a country estate ( ‘ Ee’s tough but fair is t’master’. Ee may beat us but Ee puts food on t’table. ). Whilst any members of the ‘underclass’ who rise up to power are resented for getting above themselves.

So yes , led by the right wing press, the consensus will be to simplify and therefore exaggerate Angela Rayner’s messy one off stamp duty situation, but then turn a constant blind eye when Farage or many Tories profit handsomely at public expense.

Yes, absolutely agree that this is what it is!

Notagain75 · 06/09/2025 11:25

Of course he should , but he won't.
There seems to be very different rules for him than for a working class, Northern woman who made a mistake.

EasternStandard · 06/09/2025 11:29

Notagain75 · 06/09/2025 11:25

Of course he should , but he won't.
There seems to be very different rules for him than for a working class, Northern woman who made a mistake.

This really is spin.

EasternStandard · 06/09/2025 11:31

cardibach · 06/09/2025 11:17

I’m sick of this ‘a quick google shows it’s easy’ nonsense. If that is the case, why did 2 different legal professionals, both in possession of the full facts, say otherwise, as well as suggesting it needed a more expert eye?
She made a mistake. She admitted it, referred herself for investigation and resigned. Better than most politicians who have been on the wrong side of financial (and other) laws in the not too distant past.

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Streeting and co couldn’t repeat the same defence where they relied on ‘bad advice’ story after Verrico and Shoosmiths corrected her. She had to go.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 06/09/2025 11:34

Serpentstooth · 06/09/2025 10:59

Indeed. We Lefties were loud in our support for Partygate, the PPE awards, the 'I was resting my eyes (by risking the lives of myself, my wife and son)' twaddle, Nadim's chilly horses, golden wallpaper freebie groceries, a vomitarium jn No 10, supermarket trollies full of booze and Boris is a god among men who can do no wrong.. Hurrah for all of it. Bloody well done the lot of you. We're on a par with the hypocrisy of the Right,

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Nope you’re on a par with fallible human beings, you never really had the moral superiority you claim you do. We’re all human and have families we’re trying to do the best for (not just Labour Party members) and you need to remember that next time you support jail sentences for tweets, education taxes , closing schools, uncontrolled immigration, taxing businesses into closure, property taxes and restricting access to institutions based on ‘class’ and skin colour. That’s where the hypocrisy lies.

Memorable · 06/09/2025 11:36

I’ve said it before, but I’m astonished at AR’s lack of ‘critical thinking’ considering how we’re constantly told on mumsnet what a glorious trait of the left it is 😄

TopPocketFind · 06/09/2025 18:13

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/nigel-farage-admits-he-was-wrong-to-say-he-had-bought-house-in-clacton

Nigel Farage admits he was wrong to say he had bought house in Clacton

Reform UK leader says he should not have claimed he was buyer of property that was really bought by his partner

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/nigel-farage-admits-he-was-wrong-to-say-he-had-bought-house-in-clacton

TopPocketFind · 06/09/2025 18:17

Last November Farage told Sky News:

“I’ve just exchanged contracts on the house that I’ll be living there in – is that good enough?… I’ve bought a house in Clacton What more do you want me to do?”

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2025 18:19

Mis spoke - aka lied.

Onwardspeople · 06/09/2025 18:26

cardibach · 06/09/2025 11:17

I’m sick of this ‘a quick google shows it’s easy’ nonsense. If that is the case, why did 2 different legal professionals, both in possession of the full facts, say otherwise, as well as suggesting it needed a more expert eye?
She made a mistake. She admitted it, referred herself for investigation and resigned. Better than most politicians who have been on the wrong side of financial (and other) laws in the not too distant past.

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Google it yourself. It really is not complicated. At all. That is what I do about things I don’t understand fully. I google, then I seek and pay for, expert advice. She didn’t apparently? Why would you not? She was the Housing Minister, her brief was to know about all things housing.
I fully agree the Conservatives were shit, with far too many dodgy dealings. But being Labour does not make dodgy dealings any more palatable, particularly when you’ve run on a platform of integrity. As they have now discovered.

EmpressoftheMundane · 06/09/2025 18:41

NF didn’t make it part of his brand to call everyone else out like AR did. When asked to comment on AR, he was very gracious in fact.

What she did was illegal, what he did was legal.

Those are the key differences.

Q2C4 · 06/09/2025 19:44

Menopausalsourpuss · 05/09/2025 17:27

As posters have pointed out evasion is illegal, avoidance isn't. Buying an ISA is a good example of avoidance which loads of people do and given how our taxes are wasted I don't blame anyone. And really fed up with people going on about AR being working class - she is a thick spiteful grifter like most of Labour who has got any money she has from the taxpayer and is not at all representative of the hard working, intelligent working class. And usually MN types despise the wc and call them thick racist bigots when the discussion is about issues like Brexit.

Just to be clear - investing in ISAs, pensions etc is tax planning, not tax avoidance.

Tax planning is using legislation to gain the result intended by Parliament. HMRC are fine with this.

Tax avoidance is exploiting legislation to obtain a result not intended by Parliament. It’s legal but likely to be challenged by HMRC (at which point it may become illegal through the courts if the case gets that far).

Brahumbug · 06/09/2025 20:20

TopPocketFind · 06/09/2025 18:17

Last November Farage told Sky News:

“I’ve just exchanged contracts on the house that I’ll be living there in – is that good enough?… I’ve bought a house in Clacton What more do you want me to do?”

Yes, and avoided £40,000 in SDLT, like the unlamented Rayner, hypocrisy anyone?

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2025 20:22

Brahumbug · 06/09/2025 20:20

Yes, and avoided £40,000 in SDLT, like the unlamented Rayner, hypocrisy anyone?

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Is any house in Clacton sufficiently highly priced to attract £40k stamp duty? It’s the arse end of nowhere.

Onwardspeople · 06/09/2025 20:53

BIossomtoes · 06/09/2025 20:22

Is any house in Clacton sufficiently highly priced to attract £40k stamp duty? It’s the arse end of nowhere.

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According to Rightmove, average house price Clacton on Sea is £251k. Average house price Ashton Under Lyne? £205k.