Rayner Has Resigned

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AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

Thats because they had drifted too far to the left. UK politics usually favours centre right or centre left - too far either way is historically unpalatable to the British.

The public school lot get away with their tax avoidance because they do it legally with specialist advice. Ange didn't have a legal way to dodge the tax, (other perhaps than waiting a year until she no longer had to own the family home), and she didn't take specialist advice which would have told her that. Thats the difference.

That is the problem we face. There is no other party worth voting for which is why Reform have a chance. We are in a pickle!

Really?

How do you explain Reform? mass deportations, no immigration at all, privatise NHS, massive cuts to Welfare...... tax cuts for the well off.

Even their most ardent supporters would be hard pressed to say they are centralist.

No class? She shouted loudly about being working class. She'll probably go back to the after dinner speaking rounds - just like every other working class person does.

It's a reset the country needs. 25 years ago you would have been considered pretty left wing if you suggested giving benefits to half the country. Now that is considered centre right? Most of got so used to the UK being the land of handouts that they forgotten that people used to have personal responsibility to look after themselves and their family. It is might be painful in the short term but it is the medicine we need to stop us being the sick man of the world.

Angela Rayner's resigned. Yes, she appears to have made a serious error of judgement. Yes, she's deputy prime minister in what is in my opinion the most disappointing Labour government in my lifetime.

But her hounding by a right wing press whose billionaire owners dodge ludicrous amounts of tax as a matter of course and ignore far more reprehensible financial activities pursued by people whose politics they promote is hypocritical and disgusting. Just today, it has been revealed that Farage uses a private company to pay less tax on his media earnings.

All decency, all intelligence, all compassion have been leeched from British politics. We're a banana republic with a king. Rayner, to me, is basically a woman with a good heart who wants to do her best for people from the same background she rose from - and has had the misfortune to try and do that at the very worst period in modern political history.

The ultimate irony of our age is that many of the people who cheer her downfall the loudest will be people living in a similar situation to where she began, sneering at someone who was once one of their own while cheering the tax-avoiding, Barbour-wearing, billionaire-backed Farage.

She got 6 months of neonatal care for her son for free. That should have been enough compensation. Suing a national service that is free at the point of delivery is disgusting. Taking that money away from other patients. The NHS made a mistake it was not on purpose. She said that she thinks the NHS is the pride of Britain and yet she sued it.

How does that compensate for lifelong care needs? If Rayner’s son lives the average lifespan that’s 80 years of care he’ll need to deal with his disability. The compensation is his to enable his care needs to be met. If the NHS fucks up and causes disability too right it should compensate.

I actually came on here to ask about this aspect. Does anyone ( ie an actual specialist!) know if it would be the case that if she had waited a year ( I believe the child is 17) then she wouldn't have to pay the enhanced duty? I have assumed that's the case but would like to be sure.
Because if that's true then it adds more weight to the conclusion that she didn't do this on purpose. As surely the advice would have been to rent for a year then purchase rather than pay a £40k bill after having the £160k?
I still think she should have resigned, no doubt about that, she should have taken more specialist advice. But renting for a short period seems the much better tax advice, rather than assuming she was deliberately avoiding tax

Rayner spent her time attacking others, she got caught and that time has come back to her.

Since the law suit went in her sons favour it’s safe to assume it wasn’t an accident but negligence. Or to be clearer, something that could have been avoided if more appropriate action had been taken. So who funds the lifetime care for her son, injured as a result of the NHS negligence? Should Rayner have just said, oh don’t worry, we’ll do that? And who would provide care after his parents die? A lifetime of care needs is a multi million pound mistake

When people suffer as a result of NHS negligence in my view they have an obligation to the patient, themselves and the public to take action. If they don’t everyone suffers. By taking action and highlighting where things have gone wrong public safety is improvement, and future mistakes reduced. This actually saves the NHS money. But more importantly, means fewer people in the future suffer from poor medical treatment.

Or, are you saying that ‘because NHS’ we should tolerate whatever shoddy care it chooses to provide, and live with the consequences however serious, physically or financially indefinitely for ever more?

You can highlight where things go wrong in the NHS and they can improve care without you taking a chunk of money from them. Her son was born at 23 weeks, earlier than the abortion limits that she voted for. She said her son survived because of the care of the NHS. I hate this compensation culture mentality. Mistakes happen, there was no intent or malice involved. How have we got to a point where suing the NHS is seen as a valid thing to do?

You're correct on the provenance of the photo, but perhaps you read a different nuance. The photo showed migrants being escorted by police to bring some order to the tens of thousands of people (again, largely young men, rather than the more vulnerable elderly, women and children) moving THROUGH safe countries in search of the places they wanted to end up - wealthier western nations.

Other photos around that time show the police escorting those people to the borders they wish to cross, rather than taking them somewhere safe and processing them.

There were hundreds of refugee camps to the south, west and east of Syria where they would have been safe and sheltered, but they wanted to come to predominantly white western nations to find safety - why do you think that might have been?

Again, what is positive about that photo?

The poster did not imply that most immigrants to the UK were brown, it clearly showed tens of thousands of brown people who wanted to travel to northern Europe; they had plenty of other options and chose white northern European countries which don’t match their culture or experience. It was rightly frowned upon when hundreds of white people travelled the world and fundamentally changed brown countries; why is it acceptable the other way? Or do we just have to put up with it because apparently we did it first?

Fucking hell. This has got to be an AI post, because it sure as hell isn't human.

Good, she’s a horrible hypocrite of a woman.

Hang on, is it true that this great upholder of working class values engaged in a load of crooked behaviour.

Sued the NHS for compo but then is on record for saying how great NHS care was for her son.

Then there was the whole council house sale thing. Not only was she vehemently against Thatcher’s council selling policy but then sold her own council house for big wad of cash and allegedly failed to pay capital gains tax. Twice riding roughshod over her socialist proclamations.

Then took money from her sons compensation and trust fund to leave the minor behind and flounce off to the south coast to live with her boyfriend.

And then decided that she didn’t want to pay tax on this sale.

She really did take the housing brief seriously. To buy and sell as many as she could and dodge as much tax as she could. In the meantime doing an absolutely shit job at actually building any houses.

Is this shit for real?

The pigs really do have their snouts in the trough.

Has anyone heard the latest. Louise ‘phone4me’ Haigh is going to be the new deputy leader of Labour Party. The woman who got sacked from being a minister because she was found to have been taking work phones and making fraudulent insurance claims for them.

Honestly, Labour are toast. Rejoice.

Well that £4.5 millions she's worth must have come from somewhere!

We’ve been at that point for decades. My younger son was stillborn almost 50 years ago and the doctors freely admitted “If we’d realised we would have delivered him by Caesarean…” We considered suing but decided against it because it wouldn’t change anything.

In the case of a child having a lifelong disability as a result of healthcare neglect that involves lifelong care costing millions, why wouldn’t you sue? I doubt there’s a parent in the land who could afford to just shrug off the financial implications.

What I find unbelievable is that she then took part in a TV programme praising the NHS and saying that without them, her son wouldn't be here.

So give me money but you're wonderful. Very odd.

You can, but who funds a lifetime of care for the injured party in that case?

Also, the toxic culture of cover up in the NHS means that often the only way to get it to acknowledge its mistakes is to take legal action. Perhaps if the NHS was more open a d actually investigated mistakes then the lawsuits would reduce.

Well maybe it should go private then it would have the funds to compensate folk who sue. She wants it both ways.

Yes, they absolutely did.

And I don't give a toss how hard she must have worked to get where she did. Millions work just as hard but don't jettison their integrity on the way.

Hang on, are you saying that we should put up with, indeed expect, a worse level of care because it’s a National Health Service? And that there should be no consequences for ineptitude or negligence in the NHS? I think that’s very much an extreme point of view. Would you say the same for other public services?