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Rayner Has Resigned

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usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 12:02

AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

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Livelovebehappy · 05/09/2025 23:15

Mrsmouse71 · 05/09/2025 22:30

As a woman I’m disgusted and so disappointed with these comments. Left school at 16, pregnant and got a job as a care assistant…… do you have any idea how hard she must’ve worked??

I am gutted for women everywhere

Working hard doesn’t give you a free pass to be dishonest and be an unpleasant person. In her rush to save her skin, she tried to bring down her legal team by lying. An absolute disgrace.

Livelovebehappy · 05/09/2025 23:20

EchoedSilence · 05/09/2025 22:37

MN is full of privileged MC white women. I wouldn't expect any of them to understand what it's like to be anything else.

So you think because she worked hard that she should have been let off?! I guess you thought Boris, when he had partied during Covid, got what was coming to him when he had to resign, because he didn’t come from impoverished beginnings. There are absolutely no excuses for Rayner to have lied and cheated like she did. And that should apply whatever your background.

Northquit · 05/09/2025 23:26

Course she's working class. Every working class person hires a photographer for £64k a year.

I'm assuming actually tax payers paid for that bit of fun.

EchoedSilence · 05/09/2025 23:27

Livelovebehappy · 05/09/2025 23:20

So you think because she worked hard that she should have been let off?! I guess you thought Boris, when he had partied during Covid, got what was coming to him when he had to resign, because he didn’t come from impoverished beginnings. There are absolutely no excuses for Rayner to have lied and cheated like she did. And that should apply whatever your background.

Where did I say she should have been let off?

mrsoftl · 05/09/2025 23:30

I think she will be back - she's hugely-talented, and the country needs all the capable leadership it can get.

EdithBond · 05/09/2025 23:34

EchoedSilence · 05/09/2025 23:01

It's true though. Labour have drifted to the right.

That’s the danger of positioning a party to chase votes in key marginals, based on opinion polls and naffing focus groups.

When the votes they’re chasing are being wooed by regressive, racist propaganists, who want to prop up the rich, chasing votes (rather than arguing the principles) means they have to shift position to compete. So distasteful.

Surely, the public interest in Reform shows people respond to conviction politicians, rather than glorified marketing execs trying to win their vote. They’re open to persuasion to change their opinion.

While I don’t always agree with Rayner, she certainly comes across as a conviction politician. I’ve no doubt she’ll be back.

Noodledog · 05/09/2025 23:39

mrsoftl · 05/09/2025 23:30

I think she will be back - she's hugely-talented, and the country needs all the capable leadership it can get.

Talented at what? Apart from getting MN middle class lefties excited by how authentic she is? The grifting has been poorly executed, tbf. Definitely could do better.

Whistonia · 05/09/2025 23:42

ajandjjmum · 05/09/2025 12:11

One of the worst things is that she inflated the price of her share of the house she 'sold' to her son's trust, so that she got more of his money. In what world is that acceptable behaviour.

I wouldn’t believe everything you read in the right wing press. Some houses on the road sold for less. The small semis as opposed to the larger detached ones like she had.

mrsoftl · 05/09/2025 23:46

She's got a very good strategic brain, learns technical detail extremely quickly, and can unite and motivate large, diverse teams - keeping them on task until they get the task done.

eastegg · 05/09/2025 23:46

ajandjjmum · 05/09/2025 12:09

A little more serious than eating a slice of birthday cake. She deserved to go.

It was breaking laws they had introduced and then lying about it. It was gross hypocrisy and deceit-flavoured birthday cake.

MidnightMeltdown · 05/09/2025 23:56

Good. Tax dodging cow. Funny how she’s always crying out for more benefits, but doesn’t want to pay tax herself. Always somebody else who should foot the bill eh Ange?

Viviennemary · 06/09/2025 00:04

Livelovebehappy · 05/09/2025 23:15

Working hard doesn’t give you a free pass to be dishonest and be an unpleasant person. In her rush to save her skin, she tried to bring down her legal team by lying. An absolute disgrace.

Getting pregnant at 16 is nothing to be proud of and she wears it like a badge of honour. Plenty of teenagers brought up in council flats don't get pregnant at 16.

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/09/2025 00:08

Labour scum.

EchoedSilence · 06/09/2025 00:10

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/09/2025 00:08

Labour scum.

Oh dear. Have you lost your way from twitter?

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/09/2025 00:14

Merely paraphrasing our dear Ange

EchoedSilence · 06/09/2025 00:16

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/09/2025 00:14

Merely paraphrasing our dear Ange

Noted and dismissed,

Secondchoice2 · 06/09/2025 00:25

Anyone who sues the NHS is a scumbag.

EdithBond · 06/09/2025 00:35

I expected her to resign once it was clear she’d claimed she’d acted in good faith, on advice.

It’s obvious no reputable Stamp Duty tax adviser would get it wrong. They’d always err on the side of caution, especially when advising the Deputy PM.

So, clearly she either:
(a) had deliberately evaded
(b) it was an innocent mistake, and (when questioned about it) she either didn’t bother to check if she was advised to take tax advice, or knew full well, and fibbed about taking advice.

She might possibly have survived if she’d come clean straight away and said how sorry she was: she didn’t take the advice; a silly mistake at a v busy time, arguing to the wire for investment in homes ahead of the Spending Review.

It was the fact she tried to brash it out and fib. I don’t see what the court order to protect her family has to do with it. The higher stamp duty was owed on the Hove flat, regardless of extenuating circumstances. There may be legitimate arguments to review the ‘second home’ definition to take account of ‘nesting’ co-parenting or trusteeships for minors etc. But (correct me if I’m wrong) as things stood the SDLT was owed. End of.

The only option was to say: “Sorry. My mistake. I feel terrible. I dropped a ball. Certainly didn’t intend to evade. Have immediately paid it. Plus extra, to acknowledge and recompense my wrongdoing.”

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/09/2025 00:37

EchoedSilence · 06/09/2025 00:16

Noted and dismissed,

How very headmistress of you!

HRTQueen · 06/09/2025 00:54

Noodledog · 05/09/2025 23:02

Plenty of us come from similar backgrounds to Angela Rayner. What is condescending to the working class is making excuses for her behaviour due to her background or pretending that that is why people don't like her behaviour. She's made a name for herself by calling out politicians as being grubby hypocrites. So when she turns out to be a grubby hypocrite herself than she will get criticism.

I agree

I find all this patting her in the head for being a working class woman done good extremely condescending

seems to be coming more from mc perspective either in support of her or those who are not who obsess over her working class roots

Golden407 · 06/09/2025 02:40

WitchesCauldron · 05/09/2025 12:27

Legally may not be wrong but morally very wrong.

Why is it morally wrong? He doesn’t legally own the house, if he and his partner split up he has no claim on the house. She can tell him to leave at any time, so why should he be liable for tax on it?

Viviennemary · 06/09/2025 07:46

Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 23:11

She made me cringe. She played too much on her working class background and early pregnancy.
I still don’t understand how she got the job! There was one controversy after another. Goodness knows what the rest of the world thought of her. She will probably pop up in Big Brother now.

Indeed. Maybe she can get a job as an extra on Coronation Street. That is full of stereo type Northerners with complicated domestic set ups.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 06/09/2025 08:05

Secondchoice2 · 06/09/2025 00:25

Anyone who sues the NHS is a scumbag.

Why shouldn’t someone sue the NHS if it’s been negligent?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 06/09/2025 08:08

Noodledog · 05/09/2025 22:27

It's all a bit Monty Python. And people accuse Keir Starmer of being humourless!

😂😂

nomas · 06/09/2025 08:19

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 23:11

It certainly scares Farage, he says she’s the only senior politician in any party he absolutely wouldn’t want to be up against. I can see why, she cuts right through all the crap.

And humble origins don’t inoculate against snobbery @Arraminta. In my experience those women tend to be the worst.

Edited

Has he actually said that or is it something Labour have said? Do you have a source?

As an aside, I think everyone will need to think about who we vote for to keep Reform out at the next election.

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