Rayner Has Resigned

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AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

I’d rather be naive than a condescending snob.

It's all a bit Monty Python. And people accuse Keir Starmer of being humourless!

As a woman I’m disgusted and so disappointed with these comments. Left school at 16, pregnant and got a job as a care assistant…… do you have any idea how hard she must’ve worked??

I am gutted for women everywhere

Don't you think that money would be much better spent on actual vulnerable people in other countries rather than spent on putting (mostly) young men with enough spare cash to pay thousands of pounds to people smugglers up in hotels?

1 So you don’t mean foreign languages, you mean brown ones? What about brown people who don’t speak foreign languages, is he racist to them too because he doesn’t like foreign languages?
2 Which question? I’d usually assume the last thing said, but that would be uncharacteristic given the little I know of you.
3 I am aware it’s real, that’s why I asked what you find positive about it.
4 Not sure that recognising the state of Palestine without requiring them to return the remaining Israeli hostages, both alive and dead, is terribly pro-Israeli, but I guess we have different levels of tolerance for holding dead bodies to force your issues.

If the rest of the world wasn’t nationalistic and racist then the UK could be a utopia too.

Sorry what qualifications do you have?

Plenty of us came from difficult backgrounds and worked hard, but don’t adopt do as I say not as I do as our mantra.

The irony.

@ByShyRaven "They’re meeting a senior politician who is accused of war crimes and being complicit in the genoicide. "

Wrong on both counts.

Neither of these allegations apply to Isaac Herzog the visiting politician.

MN is full of privileged MC white women. I wouldn't expect any of them to understand what it's like to be anything else.

Qualifications aren’t the only indication of education, purely one of the standardised measures. Plenty of important life skills can be learned but not measured in qualifications.

Angela Rayner is as middle class as I am. Do we remain the class we were born as, or is it a moveable status? Would you consider other traits moveable or fixed?

She doesn't speak with quite the right accent though. Seems to scare some people.

Nothing to do with snobbery. My father grew up in a council house with an outside loo. But, he was highly intelligent and got into grammar school.

As I explained, I found her lack of education, poor grammar and restricted vocabulary very embarrassing.

A couple more than Angela Raynor 😆

She isn’t a great speaker, but that doesn’t scare anyone.

3 It’s an actual photo. What can be positively spun about the actual photo? Would a different caption have helped, or do you just think that the proles shouldn’t see actual footage of issues?

The ‘Breaking Point’ poster (16 June 2016) uses a photo taken in Slovenia in October 2015 of refugees with brown skin being escorted to the Brežice refugee camp. Most were Syrians fleeing the brutal civil war, Russian air strikes; Iranian-backed militias and human rights abuses by the Syrian government.

The photo was used in the poster with the slogan: ‘The EU has failed us all’. Suggesting the ‘failure’ was EU countries giving refuge to people with brown skin. The one white-skinned person in the original photo is covered by text in the poster. How this failed voters in the UK was unclear. Most refugees remain in the first safe country they reach. Plus, the UK has obligations under international law to grant asylum to refugees: 1951 UN Convention on Refugees, co-created and signed by Britain. Brexit didn’t change those obligations.

The poster implied most immigrants to the UK were refugees with brown skin.

Blatantly incorrect.

In the year ending June 2016, the UK's net migration was 311,000. Total immigration was 650,000. In the year ending June 2016, there were 36,465 applications for asylum and 2,563 (7%) of these were from Syrians. Between October 2015 (when it began) and June 2016, a further 2,646 people were resettled in the UK under the Syrian Vulnerable Persons Resettlement (VPRS) scheme.

That means in the year ending June 2016, only 6% of total immigrants (and only 12% of net immigrants) were people seeking asylum. 0.8% of total immigrants (and 1.7% of net immigrants) were Syrian refugees/asylum seekers. Instead, most immigrants to the UK (303,000 arrivals) came on work visas. And most of these (93,935) were skilled (Tier 2) work visas, which required a UK employer as sponsor, e.g. international company transfers.

Given this, could you explain why the poster wasn’t racist propaganda?

Oh I think it does. The plebs getting above their station and all that.

This has been written by AI.

It’s a shame there is one less woman in the cabinet. But the housing secretary not paying her housing tax isn’t viable.

It's true though. Labour have drifted to the right.

Plenty of us come from similar backgrounds to Angela Rayner. What is condescending to the working class is making excuses for her behaviour due to her background or pretending that that is why people don't like her behaviour. She's made a name for herself by calling out politicians as being grubby hypocrites. So when she turns out to be a grubby hypocrite herself than she will get criticism.

She made me cringe. She played too much on her working class background and early pregnancy.
I still don’t understand how she got the job! There was one controversy after another. Goodness knows what the rest of the world thought of her. She will probably pop up in Big Brother now.

It certainly scares Farage, he says she’s the only senior politician in any party he absolutely wouldn’t want to be up against. I can see why, she cuts right through all the crap.

And humble origins don’t inoculate against snobbery @Arraminta. In my experience those women tend to be the worst.

Oh come on. Read the thread or any thread about her. I think she was incredibly stupid to avoid the tax but I also think that all the Eton and public school boy MPs absolutely do the same sort of tax avoidance if they can get away with it. Without being called thick as pigshit etc because they talk with the right sort of accent.