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Rayner Has Resigned

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usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 12:02

AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

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cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:13

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:04

She went to the press and said she had got bad advice. Streeting and many others repeated this lie.

Two firms released statements to correct her.

She got advice which turned out to be inaccurate. I’m with you that she should have followed the additional advice to get another piece of advice, but it’s really pushing it to say it was a lie to say the advice she had was wrong/bad.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:13

WaryCrow · 05/09/2025 16:10

And yes, let’s just repeat this as a reminder of British corruption and degeneracy.

Rayner was not perfect, but at least she was trying to protect her disabled son. What’s a man like Farage playing his games for? Who is he protecting? Who do men like that ever act for?

She should have kept his privacy, rather than used to get this reaction.

Biker47 · 05/09/2025 16:14

Good riddance, Rachel Thieves and Two Tier Kier next please.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:15

cumbriaisbest · 05/09/2025 16:09

So your theory is that AR was trying to get policies in place so her son could get a few more quid?

That's what the piggies with their snouts in the trough do. The failure to implement the required welfare changes will lead to tax increases and ultimately Reform getting in to do the work they should have done. 1/3rd of the population are planning to vote reform, the room for the feckless and lazy is narrowing rapidly.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:15

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:13

She got advice which turned out to be inaccurate. I’m with you that she should have followed the additional advice to get another piece of advice, but it’s really pushing it to say it was a lie to say the advice she had was wrong/bad.

It wasn’t wrong or bad advice in any way and Joanna Verrico and Shoosmiths were right to clear their reputation in the press. The Labour MPs used that as a defence in their media rounds before those statements.

SleeplessInWherever · 05/09/2025 16:15

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:13

She should have kept his privacy, rather than used to get this reaction.

I think she was hoping that context on her, very challenging, situation might calm the frenzy and make their lives more bearable.

Turns out she underestimated the bitterness of the British public.

Zuma76 · 05/09/2025 16:16

ByShyRaven · 05/09/2025 12:13

I must admit, I feel quite saddened by Angela Rayner’s resignation.

While she wasn’t without her flaws, she brought a rare combination of authenticity, working-class credibility, and conviction to frontline politics — qualities that are increasingly scarce.

Her departure raises genuine concerns about the future direction of the party. Without her voice, there’s a real risk that Labour may drift further toward the centre-right.

The sustained campaign from sections of the right-wing press to discredit her has clearly taken its toll. It’s a sobering and disturbing reminder of the influence the media can wield in shaping narratives.

Are you joking!

Fupoffyagrasshole · 05/09/2025 16:16

Yeah but now David lammy has the job which isn’t any better is it 😂😂

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:17

Fupoffyagrasshole · 05/09/2025 16:16

Yeah but now David lammy has the job which isn’t any better is it 😂😂

And justice. He'll move to an open door policy for the prison's. God help us.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:17

This is Streeting before the conveyancer based on Rayner’s take

‘It turns out she was badly advised, but understandably she’s followed the advice in good faith.’

That isn’t true.

shellyleppard · 05/09/2025 16:18

Did she walk or was she pushed though....

ByShyRaven · 05/09/2025 16:19

Zuma76 · 05/09/2025 16:16

Are you joking!

Absolutely not! 😀

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:19

SleeplessInWherever · 05/09/2025 16:15

I think she was hoping that context on her, very challenging, situation might calm the frenzy and make their lives more bearable.

Turns out she underestimated the bitterness of the British public.

You can't play on we need the richest to pay more and stop evading tax, and sit of £5m and evade tax yourself. It's like the kettle calling the kettle black.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:20

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:15

It wasn’t wrong or bad advice in any way and Joanna Verrico and Shoosmiths were right to clear their reputation in the press. The Labour MPs used that as a defence in their media rounds before those statements.

It was wrong in that it gave her an incorrect figure. The caveat that she should consider more advice doesn’t change that. I don’t really blame them - it’s a complex situation (despite all those on here saying it’s straightforward - if it were straightforward the problem wouldn’t have arisen). However she did get advice and she did follow it. Though I agree she should have followed the additional advice to ask someone else as well.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:20

shellyleppard · 05/09/2025 16:18

Did she walk or was she pushed though....

She's lucky she isn't in Russia - she would have had the window treatment..,...

SuPollardsPolkaDotFrock · 05/09/2025 16:20

The other week someone on here referred to her as Angela from Housing and another poster barked at them ‘She is the deputy prime minister show some respect!’ And now it’s all ‘Good riddance!’ 😂

What irks me the most is the way they have no honour and always drag it out and get all indignant and the prime minister always says he stands by them , then eventually they resign anyway. It’s all a bit tiresome.

SleeplessInWherever · 05/09/2025 16:21

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:19

You can't play on we need the richest to pay more and stop evading tax, and sit of £5m and evade tax yourself. It's like the kettle calling the kettle black.

Well.. we do.

And she’s about to pay her owed tax, that she maintains she didn’t realise was due.

So once we’re all evens, are we going back to needing the rich to pay their taxes?

Storm in a teacup!

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:21

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:20

It was wrong in that it gave her an incorrect figure. The caveat that she should consider more advice doesn’t change that. I don’t really blame them - it’s a complex situation (despite all those on here saying it’s straightforward - if it were straightforward the problem wouldn’t have arisen). However she did get advice and she did follow it. Though I agree she should have followed the additional advice to ask someone else as well.

No. Vericco did as expected within their remit. Rayner can’t blame others although she has tried.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:22

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:17

This is Streeting before the conveyancer based on Rayner’s take

‘It turns out she was badly advised, but understandably she’s followed the advice in good faith.’

That isn’t true.

It is though. She paid what she was told twice, in writing, that she owed. She failed to get a third piece of advice from an expert in that area of tax, which was stupid.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:22

SuPollardsPolkaDotFrock · 05/09/2025 16:20

The other week someone on here referred to her as Angela from Housing and another poster barked at them ‘She is the deputy prime minister show some respect!’ And now it’s all ‘Good riddance!’ 😂

What irks me the most is the way they have no honour and always drag it out and get all indignant and the prime minister always says he stands by them , then eventually they resign anyway. It’s all a bit tiresome.

Haha tbf it’s probably different posters. Still a few who think she’s great or whatever.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:23

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:22

It is though. She paid what she was told twice, in writing, that she owed. She failed to get a third piece of advice from an expert in that area of tax, which was stupid.

There is no culpability from that firm. It’s all on Rayner.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:25

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:23

There is no culpability from that firm. It’s all on Rayner.

I’m not suggesting there’s legal culpability.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:26

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:25

I’m not suggesting there’s legal culpability.

No there’s not. Or any. If you tried to pursue it you’d get nowhere.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:29

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:26

No there’s not. Or any. If you tried to pursue it you’d get nowhere.

Nobody has ever suggested otherwise.
What I’m trying to suggest, and I realise that in the current political climate (and on MN) this is a losing battle, is that there’s some nuance. We don’t have to scream ‘liar’ when someone makes a mistake. We can understand that she’s not a legal expert and she thought she was taking the relevant advice but made an error in not checking the advice (as advised).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/09/2025 16:29

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:03

It looks like Lammy is out of the foreign office. That's good news at least.

It would be, except I believe he's now Deputy PM instead Hmm

On another note, isn't it strange that the many who insist Rayner's been targeted have nothing at all to say about the invective she's heaped on others for doing similar

Or maybe not strange at all ...

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