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Rayner Has Resigned

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usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 12:02

AIBU to say it isn't unexpected, or a surprise?

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Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 15:50

Asweexpected · 05/09/2025 15:42

Great leadership, managed with integrity. KS upped the anti on the back of Tori corruption. He listened to public criticism of the Tories getting away with loads. ( Has Michelle Moan payed her ill gotten gains back yet?)

Open and honest letter from AR.

Sad that a working class female, who really knows how it is has made a mistake that quite rightly she has admitted and acted accordingly.

I don't know why anyone would out themselves through standing in public office. The intrusion, the criticism.

Yes, whatever happened with Michelle Moan? Anybody??

Tontostitis · 05/09/2025 15:50

WaryCrow · 05/09/2025 15:46

Define liars and cheats in the country with a reinvigorated class system built on a conquest a thousand years ago, that gave us Enclosure and then the new Enclosure of Buy-to-let. Define liars and cheats in a country of landlords who have the sheer unmitigated lying gall to claim they’re doing it for their disempowered tenants good. Define liars and cheats in the country containing the world’s largest money laundering capital. Define liars and cheats in a country where Farage, Johnson, Cameron and even Blair, for very different reasons, still have so much power!!

All the criminals are wearing suits.

God I wish I had never been born in this filthy degenerate country.

Most of the suit wearing criminals are in the Labour Party

VickyEadieofThigh · 05/09/2025 15:51

PiggyPigalle · 05/09/2025 12:42

She's worth around 5 million pounds. She could buy the flat outright, if she can lay her hands on any of it. One can only wonder why she didn't.

REALLY? How has she managed to accrue that sort of wealth?

The trade unions really have hitched their wagon to an arch capitalist in this case...

PropertyD · 05/09/2025 15:51

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 05/09/2025 14:44

She rightly resigned. She didn't pay the tax due and didn't follow the legal advice to get expert tax advice. She is clearly stupid or so arrogant that she envisaged she would never get caught/held to account.

Far worse for me is the fact that, as trustee of her child's trust fund, she sold to her son's trust 25% of the house in Ashon Under Lyne. The house was clearly not worth anywhere near £650,000 and she sold the quarter share for £162,500. That can not be a mistake/error. I hope she is held to account for not acting in her son's best interests. She should be removed as a trustee, I certainly would not want her acting as trustee for me.

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This is the most important issue for me. She dipped in to her disabled son’s trust fund to start a new life with her on/off boyfriend.

Maybe she didn’t recognise that others don’t have such a chaotic life with ex’s, ex wife’s, current partners kids, partner who has been kicked out of Labour Party plus being part of a Trust.

Her most outrageous statement is that she did this all for her children? When is moving 100’s of miles away from them a sensible idea.

I think there is more to come with all of this especially around her boyfriend. You really couldn’t make this up and it’s like a episode of Shameless

Tontostitis · 05/09/2025 15:53

cardibach · 05/09/2025 15:42

Except she didn’t lie. That’s very clear in t(e report. She just failed to get extra specialist advice, which had been recommended by her solicitors. It’s clear she was open about the situation throughout, and she had it in writing that she didn’t need to pay more than she did - with a caveat that she should get specialist advice to check. She didn’t do that, which was stupid. But it isn’t lying, or cheating.

Like she didn't really lie about her council house purchase or lie her brother's subletting or lie about living with her husband and new born baby. The woman's shady as fuck but hey she doesn't actually lie she skirts the truth for her own gain whilst telling the little people what to do and what not to do.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 15:55

Tontostitis · 05/09/2025 15:53

Like she didn't really lie about her council house purchase or lie her brother's subletting or lie about living with her husband and new born baby. The woman's shady as fuck but hey she doesn't actually lie she skirts the truth for her own gain whilst telling the little people what to do and what not to do.

So you agree she didn’t lie? Good.

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 15:56

PropertyD · 05/09/2025 15:51

This is the most important issue for me. She dipped in to her disabled son’s trust fund to start a new life with her on/off boyfriend.

Maybe she didn’t recognise that others don’t have such a chaotic life with ex’s, ex wife’s, current partners kids, partner who has been kicked out of Labour Party plus being part of a Trust.

Her most outrageous statement is that she did this all for her children? When is moving 100’s of miles away from them a sensible idea.

I think there is more to come with all of this especially around her boyfriend. You really couldn’t make this up and it’s like a episode of Shameless

Your last sentence perfectly demonstrates my point about politics as entertainment. Reactionary rubbish designed to sell the 'news'!

WitchesCauldron · 05/09/2025 15:56

EasyTouch · 05/09/2025 13:16

The UK does not work on "morals".
The thing with morals, they are subjective.

Principles and legality are far better social parameters.

Ok- Farage has sh*te principles then.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 05/09/2025 15:56

Slabberon · 05/09/2025 12:18

It’s a shame because I do think she’s a good person and we need more WC politicians, but it was inevitable - she was either a bit dim, which I doubt, or taking advantage of a way to pay less tax and that really isn’t on.
The rest of us mugs pay our tax and are seldom troubled with the complications of what to do with our extra houses…

Good people don't swindle their disabled child's trust fund out of money by inflating a property price. She should be legally removed as a trustee.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 15:57

The lie was talking about bad advice from the conveyancer and other. Hence both Verrico and Shoosmiths putting out immediate statements.

She shouldn’t have tried to land others in it.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:00

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 05/09/2025 15:56

Good people don't swindle their disabled child's trust fund out of money by inflating a property price. She should be legally removed as a trustee.

I hope you’ve got solid evidence of this as it’s libellous otherwise. I’ve only seen it as a talking point from people who hate her.

LBFseBrom · 05/09/2025 16:01

I thought she would. I wish her success and hope the spotlight is off her for a while. We all make mistakes, nobody died.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:01

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 15:57

The lie was talking about bad advice from the conveyancer and other. Hence both Verrico and Shoosmiths putting out immediate statements.

She shouldn’t have tried to land others in it.

No, they told her to pay the lower rate - she has that in writing from two sources. They also suggested getting further advice, which she didn’t do. Stupid, I agree. But that’s different.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:03

It looks like Lammy is out of the foreign office. That's good news at least.

babyproblems · 05/09/2025 16:04

ilovesooty · 05/09/2025 12:09

Cue the gloating. I look forward to Farage resigning due to the house in Clacton registered in his partner's name in order to avoid stamp duty payments.

Absolutely!!!! So many of the replies here are misogynistic and ignorant. She made a stupid choice and has resigned - rightfully so.
I hope very much we will hold other ‘politicians’ to the same standard..!!!

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:04

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:01

No, they told her to pay the lower rate - she has that in writing from two sources. They also suggested getting further advice, which she didn’t do. Stupid, I agree. But that’s different.

She went to the press and said she had got bad advice. Streeting and many others repeated this lie.

Two firms released statements to correct her.

WaryCrow · 05/09/2025 16:05

Tontostitis · 05/09/2025 15:50

Most of the suit wearing criminals are in the Labour Party

How can you even say that after the scandals from the Tories over the last 14 years!?!

I never liked New Labour and their neoliberalism shite, but I am sick of this spectacle of corrupt wealth controlling the country through the government and so many stooges nodding them through, or having nothing better to do with their lives than be paid to foment trouble on social media.

Hope you will be happy when the population of Britain gets decimated through the upcoming new Dark Age.

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:05

babyproblems · 05/09/2025 16:04

Absolutely!!!! So many of the replies here are misogynistic and ignorant. She made a stupid choice and has resigned - rightfully so.
I hope very much we will hold other ‘politicians’ to the same standard..!!!

She went after others with name calling etc. it’s come back on to her

usernamealreadytaken · 05/09/2025 16:06

SaidAHipHopTheHippieToTheHippie · 05/09/2025 14:06

on the same day, we discover Farage - owner of four homes - has been avoiding tax on two fronts: stamp duty via his wife, and undeclared earnings from GB News. Such fucking double standards 🤬😤

Any evidence?

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SleeplessInWherever · 05/09/2025 16:07

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:05

She went after others with name calling etc. it’s come back on to her

Tory or Farage? Has to be one of the two.

cumbriaisbest · 05/09/2025 16:09

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 15:29

It's all so grubby and really explains why she was stirring up the party about the reduction in welfare - her son was probably going to loss some cash. She was just in it for herself. Not for the benefit of others. Typical union person, grab grab grab.

So your theory is that AR was trying to get policies in place so her son could get a few more quid?

Rednorth · 05/09/2025 16:09

TizerorFizz · 05/09/2025 15:17

@Rednorth The money paid should go with the territory! The nasty social media and death threats! Plus the absolute need to legislate for all the population and understand that you cannot just shout at the other party.

If you are a highly intelligent barrister earning £1/2 million plus, why give that up to be an MP? Ditto anyone else running a successful company? No one good wants to be an mp. We need better people to make our laws. We definitely need a mix of backgrounds but I don’t want a government where no one has high levels of intelligence and intellect.

Also we seriously underpay our MPs when compared to other countries. We therefore get too many average people who want to make a name (or money) for themselves. They are not good enough as law makers. They are good at representing minorities and being an opposition. Get into government - look at the consequences! We need to attract better people into politics who are successful in other walks of life and the salary of an mp will not hack it.

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"No one good wants to be an MP"

As an ex PPC I'm trying not to be personally offended here 🤣

WaryCrow · 05/09/2025 16:10

ilovesooty · 05/09/2025 12:09

Cue the gloating. I look forward to Farage resigning due to the house in Clacton registered in his partner's name in order to avoid stamp duty payments.

And yes, let’s just repeat this as a reminder of British corruption and degeneracy.

Rayner was not perfect, but at least she was trying to protect her disabled son. What’s a man like Farage playing his games for? Who is he protecting? Who do men like that ever act for?

Astrabees · 05/09/2025 16:10

I feel so sorry that she didn’t get the appropriate legal advice that she was advised she should arrange.
What a woman! What a loss to top level politics. To have no educational qualifications, a mother at 16, marriage and then a disabled child(presumably medical negligence) To go through all that and become housing minister and deputy prime minister. I have been so upset and shocked by the level of hateful misogyny directed at her.
I met her once when she was speaking at a Care Conference. She was so impressive.
I’m sure she will overcome this blip in her career, and hope that Nigel Garage’s tax situation is subject to the same scrutiny.

Alexandra2001 · 05/09/2025 16:12

TizerorFizz · 05/09/2025 15:01

@beetr00 How can you possibly know what 630 MPs do? Back benches don’t earn a fortune. This is why many talented people won’t go near it as a job. When very clever and well off people do, like Nadim Zahawi, all that results is that they go due to very complex tax affairs. It’s always ending in “gotcha” and AR revelled in it. We do have a rudderless Labour Party who don’t know who they are at the moment. They don’t all agree with their own manifesto and have factions. It will let in clear minded Farage. The Brits like simplistic clarity, and no one else provides it.

Someone of Zahawi's standing in business is expected to get his tax affairs correct, its in HMRCs guidance.
Where as a layperson, which is what Rayner would be classed as, there is an understanding that they would seek advice, Rayner failed to do so.

There is also the matter of scale: £5m in unpaid tax vs £40k.

Interesting to see now, how Farage is treated over his tax affairs, i wont hold breath.

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