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To feel weird about nursery staff putting bows in DD's hair?

372 replies

CalonHapus · 05/09/2025 09:20

When DW picked up DD from nursery yesterday, they had put DD's hair into bunches with pink bows. They were apparently pretty pleased with themselves and were commenting on how 'cute and girly' DD looked.

We mostly dress DD in unisex clothes (which - as she's 14 months old - lots of people seem to read as 'boys clothes'). She has long hair which we mostly tie up into a 'pineapple' on the top of her head. We're not trying to 'make her look like a boy', we just like to put her in comfy, practical clothes that she can be active in. We don't put her in dresses very often because she tends to get tangled up in them or trip over the hem.

AIBU to feel like the nursery staff were trying to make a point by doing this? i.e. "you're not presenting her like a 'proper girl' so we will"?

OP posts:
ttcat37 · 05/09/2025 11:27

Trying desperately to avoid any overtly feminine clothes or styles just looks like you’re trying to force your daughter into being a tomboy which is just as bad as someone putting bows in her hair.

Not so relevant with children but unisex clothes are male clothes. When did you ever see a unisex t shirt that was cut for a woman’s figure? They aren’t. Unisex clothing means ‘we only cater for men and can’t be arsed making this to fit women properly’.

DisforDarkChocolate · 05/09/2025 11:27

I'd assume her hair became loose and it needed tying up again.

TheSwarm · 05/09/2025 11:27

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:24

I’m not saying it’s not a hard job. I’d hate it. That’s why it’s often uneducated people who go into these kind of jobs. Most of the people are my child’s nursery had very limited qualifications and, yes, weren’t very bright. Doesn’t mean they weren’t good carers or kind people. It just means they probably didn’t think long or hard about the implications of reinforcing gender roles. It’s not that deep.

You seem nice.

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:28

JackRobinson · 05/09/2025 11:18

Some of the comments about nursery staff on here are really shitty. "Sick as mince" (I assume @Noelshighflyingturds meant "thick as mince" as, ironically, what they've written doesn't make any sense), "Not the brightest" (@Thisbreamisonwire). Where do you get off, slagging people off that you've never met? Nursery staff will be a mixed bag, like any other profession; some academic, some less so; some really passionate about feminist issues; some really passionate about child psychology; some excellent at calming down an overstimulated child... Nursery workers aren't some kind of knuckle-dragging hive mind.
I really pity people who need to slag off others to feel ok about themselves.

It’s not an opinion I have to feel better about myself. It’s a documented fact!

https://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1604669/low-paid-poorly-skilled-nursery-staff-limit-childrens-education

Lifebeganat50 · 05/09/2025 11:28

Would you have been as annoyed if the bows had been blue?

Mischance · 05/09/2025 11:29

Not a problem in itself, but saying it made her look "cute and girly" is reinforcing stereotypes and I would not have been happy about that.

Coffeeishot · 05/09/2025 11:29

Noelshighflyingturds · 05/09/2025 11:26

I used to lecture in childcare, those degrees are handed out like toilet paper, 90% of the staff would not get even the most basic degree in any other subject.

Sure you did !

KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:29

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:28

It’s not an opinion I have to feel better about myself. It’s a documented fact!

https://www.daynurseries.co.uk/news/article.cfm/id/1604669/low-paid-poorly-skilled-nursery-staff-limit-childrens-education

Edited

Have you got anything that isn't almost 7 years old?

Drivingmissrangey · 05/09/2025 11:29

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:24

I’m not saying it’s not a hard job. I’d hate it. That’s why it’s often uneducated people who go into these kind of jobs. Most of the people are my child’s nursery had very limited qualifications and, yes, weren’t very bright. Doesn’t mean they weren’t good carers or kind people. It just means they probably didn’t think long or hard about the implications of reinforcing gender roles. It’s not that deep.

Fucking hell you are making yourself look even worse? On what basis are you assuming they are “uneducated”?

Or maybe they are too busy looking after your children to obsess with whether the toys they are playing with are gender appropriate. You never hear of people encouraging boys to play with dolls, or to play pretend house. It’s all about making sure the girls don’t play those things.

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:30

KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:26

How did you know what qualifications they had?

Because the nursery lists them. It has to by law. So many people outraged here - but it’s a known and reported issue in the industry that many (of course not all) staff are low educated. That impacts things like opinions on modern feminism/ gender roles, which is what the op is about. It’s not an insult.

Noelshighflyingturds · 05/09/2025 11:31

Coffeeishot · 05/09/2025 11:29

Sure you did !

Yeah I did, in the past tense. I got fed up of having to spend So much time explaining why the “students” couldn’t be racially discriminatory against the young children coming to the nurseries from foreign lands.

CalonHapus · 05/09/2025 11:31

A few things:

The nursery staff are lovely. DD adores them. We love the nursery and have no intention of complaining. I just found this a bit weird and wanted to see if other people would feel the same. I can see that many of you wouldn't, and that's absolutely fine 😊.

DW and I are both feminists so that is a factor in how we parent DD. We are not raising her 'gender neutral' but we're very aware of the ways society tries to put little girls (and little boys) in boxes from a young age and, as much as we can, we're trying to counter that.

If DD wants to wear stereotypically 'girly' things when she's older, she absolutely can.

OP posts:
KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:31

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:30

Because the nursery lists them. It has to by law. So many people outraged here - but it’s a known and reported issue in the industry that many (of course not all) staff are low educated. That impacts things like opinions on modern feminism/ gender roles, which is what the op is about. It’s not an insult.

Ok fair enough.

I didn't know that.

Espressoicecream · 05/09/2025 11:32

Nursery constantly do my DD's hair (32 months) as it's often falling out of a pony tail/getting in her eyes/ they have tue magic touch that she allows them to do so 🤣
It irks me they put it in a top pony tail like a baby a lot of the time but I recognise it's practical for play.

Incidentally we chose quite neutral clothing etc for our DD but in the last three months she has developed - gasp - opinions! She insists on picking her clothes and it's usually pink or yellow or purple and almost always dresses. There comes a point where we've had to let her express herself!

Zov · 05/09/2025 11:33

JackRobinson · 05/09/2025 11:18

Some of the comments about nursery staff on here are really shitty. "Sick as mince" (I assume @Noelshighflyingturds meant "thick as mince" as, ironically, what they've written doesn't make any sense), "Not the brightest" (@Thisbreamisonwire). Where do you get off, slagging people off that you've never met? Nursery staff will be a mixed bag, like any other profession; some academic, some less so; some really passionate about feminist issues; some really passionate about child psychology; some excellent at calming down an overstimulated child... Nursery workers aren't some kind of knuckle-dragging hive mind.
I really pity people who need to slag off others to feel ok about themselves.

Exactly this. I was shocked when I read that post by @Thisbreamisonwire How DARE they suggest that nursery staff are all not very bright?! Hmm

And @Noelshighflyingturds calling them thick as mince is just nasty.

Speaks volumes about those posters, generalising like this. Ludicrous, laughable, farcical, rude, offensive posts! Best ignored.

@CalonHapus YABU. It's a bow in your daughter's hair. Get a grip!

Noelshighflyingturds · 05/09/2025 11:34

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:30

Because the nursery lists them. It has to by law. So many people outraged here - but it’s a known and reported issue in the industry that many (of course not all) staff are low educated. That impacts things like opinions on modern feminism/ gender roles, which is what the op is about. It’s not an insult.

I wish they’d also list the classification of the degrees obtained because there were a lot of thirds handed out. If my children had got third class degrees I would’ve told them to put that they’ve been in prison for three years rather than admit to that. It would be less embarrassing

KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:34

CalonHapus · 05/09/2025 11:31

A few things:

The nursery staff are lovely. DD adores them. We love the nursery and have no intention of complaining. I just found this a bit weird and wanted to see if other people would feel the same. I can see that many of you wouldn't, and that's absolutely fine 😊.

DW and I are both feminists so that is a factor in how we parent DD. We are not raising her 'gender neutral' but we're very aware of the ways society tries to put little girls (and little boys) in boxes from a young age and, as much as we can, we're trying to counter that.

If DD wants to wear stereotypically 'girly' things when she's older, she absolutely can.

You're not going to counter it by moaning about a couple of bows and buying completely unsuitable dresses that your child gets 'tangled' in and 'trips over the hem' of.

Still, it makes for a busy MN thread I suppose.

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:35

KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:29

Have you got anything that isn't almost 7 years old?

Sure, this coverage of the OFSTED report from April 2025. it is a well known issue the government are trying to deal with - not conjecture or an opinion.

www.cypnow.co.uk/content/news/ofsted-reports-child-development-impact-of-declining-nursery-workforce-quality/

KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:36

Noelshighflyingturds · 05/09/2025 11:34

I wish they’d also list the classification of the degrees obtained because there were a lot of thirds handed out. If my children had got third class degrees I would’ve told them to put that they’ve been in prison for three years rather than admit to that. It would be less embarrassing

Christ, that's a massive shark you've jumped there!

🤣🤣🤣

At least you've lightened the tone of the thread with a bit of humour!

RitaFires · 05/09/2025 11:36

I can understand feeling iffy about it. 14 months is very small it seems less likely that she asked for her hair to be done in a certain way, I would have expected her hair to be put back in a similar style if it had fallen loose. I wouldn't like nursery staff to be playing with my daughter's hair for their own amusement or to prove some kind of point. But I would consider that the nursery workers' intentions were probably good and how much of my feelings were about my own sensitivities to an implied criticism rather than what actually happened.

For reference my daughter is a baby and I dress her in a variety of girly and more gender neutral clothes but I'm aware her outfits can be interpreted as too girly or not girly enough by others.

KissMyArt · 05/09/2025 11:38

Thisbreamisonwire · 05/09/2025 11:35

Sure, this coverage of the OFSTED report from April 2025. it is a well known issue the government are trying to deal with - not conjecture or an opinion.

www.cypnow.co.uk/content/news/ofsted-reports-child-development-impact-of-declining-nursery-workforce-quality/

Thank you 👍

CaroleLandis · 05/09/2025 11:38

I expect she looked lovely. Hair pulled up to the top of the head can be uncomfortable so perhaps they put the hair in bunches to give her scalp some relief or perhaps they were just engaging with her and the bows and clips are part of a dress up game.

Whatever the reason it is good that they are downing individual time with her and giving her attention.

Grammarnut · 05/09/2025 11:39

Everleigh13 · 05/09/2025 10:09

You would really be offended by that? Wouldn’t you just assume your child’s ponytail (or whatever) had come out or their hair was in their eyes and so the nursery worker had put it in whatever style they find easiest? It’s almost like you’re going out of your way to feel offended or annoyed when someone may just be trying their best to help.

Edited

I'd expect the same style, I think. But I would be really, really offended by being told how 'girly and cute' it looked (though 'cute' actually means sharp, not pretty btw - as I was told by a fashion designer who once called my DD's dress 'cute'. Shakespeare uses it thus, too, 'a cute knave').

Hiptothisjive · 05/09/2025 11:39

PegDope · 05/09/2025 09:21

YABU.

It is amazing the things that offend people.

Completely right. Such a non-issue. Why do people look for things to be offended by? Is this seriously something you are wondering about?

The staff were probably doing it for other kids and probably asked if your daughter wanted them and she said yes. What monsters.

Zov · 05/09/2025 11:40

Noelshighflyingturds · 05/09/2025 11:34

I wish they’d also list the classification of the degrees obtained because there were a lot of thirds handed out. If my children had got third class degrees I would’ve told them to put that they’ve been in prison for three years rather than admit to that. It would be less embarrassing

😆LMFAO! I'm embarrassed for you! 😂