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To go no contact with racist MIL

149 replies

MoMuM7 · 31/08/2025 19:26

I'm not white English. Legally moved to the UK for uni, stayed for a job then met DC and started family. Got on reasonably well with inlaws although we have little in common. FIL, a lovely man, passed away last year and MIL seems to have changed overnight. Watches GB news religiously, votes Reform and attend questionable rallies. I was surprised but her life, her opinions. Since January she's been forwarding me emails anti immigrant from very right wing influencers. Again, i was taken aback but, she's entitled to her opinions. DH was getting concerned because half of what she sends is AI generated or obviously fake news so he had a word.

She explained that her views are about the wrong kind of immigrant and not me... She sends the emails still but since she lives across the country and we see her 2/3 times a year I ignored.

She's been visiting this week and today she came to the park with me and DC. She saw a Muslim woman with a headwrap walking past and loudly said : "Your lot are not the peace kind, are you? Have you been watching the news? Your days in this country are numbered."

That woman is my local GP, born and bred in the UK.

The DC heard everything. I was so stunned i grab the DC and practically ran home. When I told DC he was shocked but says she's harmless, just another boomer radicalised by the internet. I dont agree. I still dont know how to explain what she said to my small DC.

OP posts:
MoMuM7 · 01/09/2025 00:07

Custardcream84 · 01/09/2025 00:00

That’s a disgusting thing to say. The poor GP. This is abuse and actually the victim has every right to report her to the police.

Let me explain as a Muslim brown woman who wears a headscarf how it feels to be racially assaulted. Every where you go you have a niggle at the back of your mind that something might happen. Any time in an interaction someone is rude you worry it’s because of their race. You have to try and be extra nice to every one just in case. And if you do get abuse shouted in the street at you - you have a very real fear you will be attacked. Or your kids will be. This isn’t just at night but at all times of the day, when driving, when in the shops.

Mostly you suppress this fear but it comes out at times like this. The way myself and my immediate family have been racially abused:

  • drivers shouting vile racist stuff at us in traffic or from cars
  • having a car accelerate at me and the driver laugh
  • stones being thrown at me and my sister when we were teenagers
  • someone handed me a folded leaflet in which they spat in
  • Someone sets my mum’s headscarf on fire on the bus (luckily just a few flickering flames from a lighter)

it’s absolutely disgusting and your MIL deserves consequences. You do not want your kids to be exposed to that. I hope the lady reports her.

Thank you for such a personal response. I'm so sorry you've experienced such horrendous treatment. No one deserves to live in fear.

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OP posts:
Maddy70 · 01/09/2025 00:11

She has been radicalised. Honestly you should contact prevent

Starseeking · 01/09/2025 00:15

I would genuinely go NC with this person, tell her not to email you again (also block her email to spare your mental health) and leave your DH to deal with her.

Let your DH explain to your DC in an age appropriate way that their grandmother does not like people who look like their mother, for no other reason than they are not white. Let your DH square that circle.

Custardcream84 · 01/09/2025 00:16

Robin67 · 01/09/2025 00:07

Most of what you describe is horrible and disgusting. But the bus incident is absolutely terrifying. Were the perpetrators caught?

No no one even thought to report any of these. Was just sort of expected and many people I know experienced similar. Nowadays I would 100% but of course in the moment if you’re frightened or have no idea how it will escalate then you freeze and want to just remove yourself from the situation.

Sashya · 01/09/2025 00:29

I am also not white English. And I do have elderly relatives - direct and extended family - and have seen what happens as they age.

You seem to be going out of your way to report your MIL to police. Why?
You see her 2-3 times a year. And - sure, she said something awful - but are you really going to be "cancelling" her over this?

How old is your DC? Did they even understand what grandma said? If so - than it's a great teaching opportunity to talk to DC about people and their opinions. And how some are "freedom of speech" and others are harmful.
Worst thing you can do is to completely shield your kids from any controversy, and any different opinions. This is the way to raise kids that will not be prepared to encounter real world - where things like this exist.

Robin67 · 01/09/2025 00:57

Sashya · 01/09/2025 00:29

I am also not white English. And I do have elderly relatives - direct and extended family - and have seen what happens as they age.

You seem to be going out of your way to report your MIL to police. Why?
You see her 2-3 times a year. And - sure, she said something awful - but are you really going to be "cancelling" her over this?

How old is your DC? Did they even understand what grandma said? If so - than it's a great teaching opportunity to talk to DC about people and their opinions. And how some are "freedom of speech" and others are harmful.
Worst thing you can do is to completely shield your kids from any controversy, and any different opinions. This is the way to raise kids that will not be prepared to encounter real world - where things like this exist.

This is crap advice, you have given

Why report her? Because she is a racist bitch who has actually committed a crime. Her victim was no less hurt than she would have been if she was 30 years younger.

Don't teach your children to tolerate or accept this. They will grow up with self loathing.

Protect them at cut her out. Your husband can see her, alone, and then explain to them why he still wants to

RealPerson · 01/09/2025 01:17

That's terrible.. I have seen this with my own family. I think it's social media brainwashing people. I've read that the russians setup this type of thing on social media to cause civil unrest

JHound · 01/09/2025 01:51

Custardcream84 · 01/09/2025 00:00

That’s a disgusting thing to say. The poor GP. This is abuse and actually the victim has every right to report her to the police.

Let me explain as a Muslim brown woman who wears a headscarf how it feels to be racially assaulted. Every where you go you have a niggle at the back of your mind that something might happen. Any time in an interaction someone is rude you worry it’s because of their race. You have to try and be extra nice to every one just in case. And if you do get abuse shouted in the street at you - you have a very real fear you will be attacked. Or your kids will be. This isn’t just at night but at all times of the day, when driving, when in the shops.

Mostly you suppress this fear but it comes out at times like this. The way myself and my immediate family have been racially abused:

  • drivers shouting vile racist stuff at us in traffic or from cars
  • having a car accelerate at me and the driver laugh
  • stones being thrown at me and my sister when we were teenagers
  • someone handed me a folded leaflet in which they spat in
  • Someone sets my mum’s headscarf on fire on the bus (luckily just a few flickering flames from a lighter)

it’s absolutely disgusting and your MIL deserves consequences. You do not want your kids to be exposed to that. I hope the lady reports her.

I am so sorry this has happened to you. What the f*ck is actually happening to so many people in this country.

JHound · 01/09/2025 01:53

Sashya · 01/09/2025 00:29

I am also not white English. And I do have elderly relatives - direct and extended family - and have seen what happens as they age.

You seem to be going out of your way to report your MIL to police. Why?
You see her 2-3 times a year. And - sure, she said something awful - but are you really going to be "cancelling" her over this?

How old is your DC? Did they even understand what grandma said? If so - than it's a great teaching opportunity to talk to DC about people and their opinions. And how some are "freedom of speech" and others are harmful.
Worst thing you can do is to completely shield your kids from any controversy, and any different opinions. This is the way to raise kids that will not be prepared to encounter real world - where things like this exist.

Where did she say she plans to report her to the police.

It’s also perfectly possible to teach kids that racism exists without making them spend time with racist family members.

Obeseandashamed · 01/09/2025 03:04

This thread made me feel really sad. The current dynamics across the country is awful in a lot of places and there are rising tensions fuelled by misinformation. We went to a major sporting event today as a mixed group and one of the members of our party ordinarily wears a headscarf. She chose not to wear it today due to fear of repercussions. A lot of the rhetoric around muslim women is about being ‘forced to cover up’ but I found it sad that this lady felt the opposite today and as though she was forced to uncover as she didn’t feel safe dressing in a way that outwardly identified her as muslim.

RedStand · 01/09/2025 05:28

I am sorry this happened OP. Yesterday I saw a middle-aged white man harassing an East Asian family. He kept saying, ‘you’re not local’ and being abusive. The little kids looked so confused. This is increasingly the world we live in.

JingsMahBucket · 01/09/2025 06:58

HellsBells13 · 31/08/2025 20:19

Could I just say this. I am UK born and bred, watch TalkTV. Does that make me racist ? Nah.. My fiance is Japanese, I work in corporate with multi cultural dynamic. I embrace legal migration but, not illegal. They drain society and and rarely integrate in to society.

Yes, yes you are racist.

londongirl12 · 01/09/2025 07:03

Block her email. You shouldn’t have to receive stuff like that. Make sure your DC know her words are not acceptable.

FigurativelyDying · 01/09/2025 07:24

QueenOfHiraeth · 31/08/2025 23:34

Can I just say as "just another Boomer" that ageist attitudes are as disgusting as racist ones.

Can I say as “just another Boomer” that not all of us Boomers are white!

thepariscrimefiles · 01/09/2025 07:31

beAsensible1 · 31/08/2025 21:17

Racially harassing someone in public is not bloody “harmless” ??? Are you joking wtf.

that poor poor woman. Imagine what she’s like when shes not out with her grandkids. I would stay well away from her

Edited

What OP's MIL has done is illegal and OP's GP could report her. Harassing someone in public is considered a hate crime as it is motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a protected charactistic, i.e. race. Under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, racially or religiously aggravated offences like harassment and threatening behaviour are specific offences with a higher sentence than the basic crime.

I hope OP's GP does report her to the police.

Whyherewego · 01/09/2025 07:38

MoMuM7 · 31/08/2025 23:05

@PennySweeet I'm FURIOUS with Dh like you wouldn't believe. He's doing everything he can to to paint his mother as a vulnerable, clueless old woman. She's acting out of character but even if she is developing dementia and/or grieving, she DID commit a crime. Not a word about how the GP might be feeling.

Yes this is very frustrating from DH. She is not harmless. She harmed this poor GP who was just out walking.
You need to tell dH that he needs to tell her to stop saying things like that out loud, that whatever she thinks about free speech or Nigel Farage or whatever, that your family find it unacceptable to racially abuse people in the street. And if she pulls another stunt like that again, she will not be seeing her grandchildren. He needs to go hard on this so she knows it's serious.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/09/2025 07:39

Custardcream84 · 01/09/2025 00:00

That’s a disgusting thing to say. The poor GP. This is abuse and actually the victim has every right to report her to the police.

Let me explain as a Muslim brown woman who wears a headscarf how it feels to be racially assaulted. Every where you go you have a niggle at the back of your mind that something might happen. Any time in an interaction someone is rude you worry it’s because of their race. You have to try and be extra nice to every one just in case. And if you do get abuse shouted in the street at you - you have a very real fear you will be attacked. Or your kids will be. This isn’t just at night but at all times of the day, when driving, when in the shops.

Mostly you suppress this fear but it comes out at times like this. The way myself and my immediate family have been racially abused:

  • drivers shouting vile racist stuff at us in traffic or from cars
  • having a car accelerate at me and the driver laugh
  • stones being thrown at me and my sister when we were teenagers
  • someone handed me a folded leaflet in which they spat in
  • Someone sets my mum’s headscarf on fire on the bus (luckily just a few flickering flames from a lighter)

it’s absolutely disgusting and your MIL deserves consequences. You do not want your kids to be exposed to that. I hope the lady reports her.

I am so sorry that you and your family have to deal with such horrible and frightening abuse from knuckle-dragging racists and islamophobes.

I hope that OP's MIL is arrested for a racially and religiously aggravated hate crime.

Imbusytodaysorry · 01/09/2025 08:09

@MoMuM7 I think she is alone too much now so fills her time with tv and internet and yes the brainwashing has happened.
Gob smacked at what she did to your gp!

Id tell her she gets some counseling and changes her ways or she won’t be around the grandkids again.

The counseling to see if she is still dealing with grief and to talk about boundaries and respect . You can’t change someone’s views but you can change wether you want to have your on kids around them.
She may realise when she actually has someone to talk to that she is behaving out of character .

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 08:16

thepariscrimefiles · 01/09/2025 07:31

What OP's MIL has done is illegal and OP's GP could report her. Harassing someone in public is considered a hate crime as it is motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a protected charactistic, i.e. race. Under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, racially or religiously aggravated offences like harassment and threatening behaviour are specific offences with a higher sentence than the basic crime.

I hope OP's GP does report her to the police.

The utterly vile MIL has also committed a crime under the Communications Act by emailing the OP links and articles expressly designed to upset, threaten, and intimidate.

Sharptonguedwoman · 01/09/2025 08:49

Hatty65 · 31/08/2025 19:34

I'd have asked her to leave immediately I got home and told her that I found her views outdated, offensive and I wanted nothing more to do with her.

Having said that I've never met someone 'racist' of this age who didn't already hold those views. My 80 something parents who were always pretty left wing in their views are still not racist, not bigoted, and perfectly intelligent. They haven't been 'radicalised' by the Internet. I don't recognise the Mumsnet view of 'Boomers' and actually find it pretty odd and offensive. This is the generation who were in their 20s during the 1960s, which were famed for their tolerance, flower power, hippy peace ideas. Not sure why so many people now claim that all old people are right wing, racist bigots who hate foreigners.

They are only like that if they always were like that.

Thank you for this. I get so fed up with the boomer bashing.

Calliopespa · 01/09/2025 08:52

Imisscoffee2021 · 31/08/2025 19:28

She isn't harmless, it's one thing to think it and another to say it out loud to someone in public.

This.

She has moved from having a view to abusing people to their face.

EmmaMaria · 01/09/2025 08:55

FigurativelyDying · 01/09/2025 07:24

Can I say as “just another Boomer” that not all of us Boomers are white!

Bloody hell, what is the world coming to? You mean there were actually non-white people before the mid-60's? I can't believe that was ever allowed.

Idontknownowwhat · 01/09/2025 09:28

Custardcream84 · 01/09/2025 00:00

That’s a disgusting thing to say. The poor GP. This is abuse and actually the victim has every right to report her to the police.

Let me explain as a Muslim brown woman who wears a headscarf how it feels to be racially assaulted. Every where you go you have a niggle at the back of your mind that something might happen. Any time in an interaction someone is rude you worry it’s because of their race. You have to try and be extra nice to every one just in case. And if you do get abuse shouted in the street at you - you have a very real fear you will be attacked. Or your kids will be. This isn’t just at night but at all times of the day, when driving, when in the shops.

Mostly you suppress this fear but it comes out at times like this. The way myself and my immediate family have been racially abused:

  • drivers shouting vile racist stuff at us in traffic or from cars
  • having a car accelerate at me and the driver laugh
  • stones being thrown at me and my sister when we were teenagers
  • someone handed me a folded leaflet in which they spat in
  • Someone sets my mum’s headscarf on fire on the bus (luckily just a few flickering flames from a lighter)

it’s absolutely disgusting and your MIL deserves consequences. You do not want your kids to be exposed to that. I hope the lady reports her.

May I ask, as a white, British person, what can I, and others like me do to make you very aware that it isn't all of us that harbor ill feeling toward you, and people who look like you?
My town is really quite multicultural and luckily haven't seen any flags or anything, but I did travel to a town 40 minutes away that I used to live in, at the weekend, and there were lots of flags, and even on business fronts. It made me sad, and it's quite scary to see.

I just would like to be part of something that makes people feel supported.

Mischance · 01/09/2025 09:40

She is a vulnerable person - elderly, widowed and being influenced inappropriately by the internet. How old are your children?

The FIL of one of my DDs was racist, and my GC heard some of this. My DD and her husband talked with the chidlren about it, and they have talked to me. The children, now teenagers, talk about racism very openly and are clear that they abhor it.

No-one went no contact with this man; they just made sure that there were open discussions with the children about it.

BernardButlersBra · 01/09/2025 09:52

I would go no contact, she sounds vile. So her coming in your house, no unsupervised contact with your children etc

Your husband needs to wake up and grow a backbone. He's condoning this behaviour to his non-white wife and mixed race children!!