Flags..

[Elephant9]

Just a chat to understand what’s going on with the influx of England and UJ flags all over the streets?

thoughts?
where did it stem from?
is it making you uncomfortable? (It is, me, but not entirely sure why)

There’s a good exposé here:

https://xcancel.com/docrussjackson/status/1958229505706971418#m

It’s far-right instigated and funded. People joining in are useful idiots. Nothing at all patriotic about it.

I think it's fine. I don't feel uncomfortable if people want to display the national flag(s).

Just something else for us all to all argue about....

What is your AIBU?

It’s the Willy-waving racists who seem to think it’s good to try to intimidate others. It’s going to end in civil war here.

I think they look great. Nice to see them flown outside of sporting events for a change.

There have been a lot of threads on this. Perhaps you'll find the information you're looking for on one or more of them.

In Wales and Scotland (don't know about NI), the respective national flags are flown everywhere. It's about time England was allowed to do the same.

Do you feel uncomfortable seeing Spanish flags flown in Spain, for example?

I’m guessing probably not.

Always lots of naivety-false or otherwise-on threads like these….

Yeah, we absolutely needed another thread on this. Definitely..

Don’t kid yourself it’s because everyone feels patriotic all of a sudden.
It’s sinister.

Have you not been on MN for the last week?

Sorry guys I did search for a thread but didn’t find one. Feel free to point me in the right direction

It looks nice round our way. Very patriotic. It reminds me of the street parties when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s.

Is it racist to hang your national flag with pride? No. But the racists are weaponising it to express hate against foreigners and non nationals. That is their intent. So anyone that does this is going to appear racist.

Yes. That’s what I meant in my post x

There are two options and two options only. Either 1) You state that every single flag has been put up by racists who want to intimidate non-white people OR 2) You consider that the reasons are complex and multifaceted, warranting debate, conversations, action and unity.
But, be warned, if you take the second option you are a misinformed idiot, and also a racist. And in fact, we should despise and mock you.

I'm not. The point I was trying to make is that patriotic people should be allowed to fly the national flag of the country they live in, along with organisations. Every other country in the world does.

In fact the more the flag is flown for "nice" reasons, the less impact it would have if flown for nefarious reasons.

Racists are putting flags on lampposts.

That's the shortest version.

It’s not just the flag flying, it’s the daubing of paint all over the roads. It looks atrocious and our overstretched, bankrupt councils can ill-afford to repair the damage. They need locking up, the absolute cretins.

Dahling, hadn’t you heard? It’s ‘Shankill ✊🏼Chic’ this season in all the best places.

I don’t have an issue with England being festooned in England flags.
I love world / Euro cup time with all the flags.

However the intent behind the current influx seems more hostile. I would not feel safe living in a neighbourhood where this was happening.

Why don’t you have a search across Mumsnet for a thread about flags? We have had about 50 of them since Saturday, to the point it’s been suggested that they have their own Board.

You will find lots of varied opinions!

I think you're a bit late to the party OP, this has been done to death on here now.