Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

I can’t see why it’s not a societal good that British low-skilled roles are filled with British people as opposed to immigrants. We have the worst of both worlds at the moment.

SO what happens to people on benefits then? They end up on the streets?
Why do people keep saying this is the only way? It is inhumane.

Everyone gets help with university even millionaires as maintenance loan is means tested but the student will still get a minimum amount if your parents earn over about £62000.

An outsiders perspective....i live overseas having lived in uk for 30 years and moved abroad 5 years ago. I come back every month for work/or to see family and every time i come back the mood is worse. It seems as if everyone is angry, out of patience, fed up with the state of the country. Life feels expensive for not much reward. I dont blame Labour, I don't think Tories were any better. I do think the whole country is big mess and I'm not convinced it can be fixed with any of the contending parties for leadership if it wasn't labour

Because it’s inevitable - this is a result of a bloated welfare state and high immigration.

There’s no point looking at the direction of the economy now and our enormous level of debt, both national and personal, and thinking Labour will do anything to improve things. The crash is going to happen - we have to face facts. We’re at the cliff edge now.

You can say it’s inhumane if you like - but what’s the point in saying that when there’s no more money to pay for anything? It all comes down to money. We have none.

it is inevitable that people will end up on the streets?

Everyone’s tired, jaded, and feeling pretty poor. Nothing in the country works as it’s supposed to anymore. None of our political parties actually want to fix any of the deep-seated issues. They think no further than the next election. Seismic change is needed and it’s happening whether we like it or not.

Why that specific question?

because it seems if peoples benefits are cut and they end up on the streets, it is all oh well it is saving the country money and no one actually cares.

and when people go on about benefits having to be cut, no one can say what should happen to the people who are going to be plunged into further poverty.

About the same. Bills have always gone up not down, regardless of who is in power.
I am more concerned about the way Reform are behaving. Tories are still infighting and seem to be trying to out do each other whilst ignoring the last 14 yrs of Tory rule.
I am enjoying my life. I retire in December.

Look, people care.

But smpathy doesn’t pay the bills. We need to be able to pay for these things; welfare state, social housing.

Do you think Labour show any sign at all of dealing with the massive issues we face? What would your solutions be?

I dont work in politics so I have no clue about how it all could be fixed. But all I know is people like me are getting blamed for the state the country is in and it is clear on MN how people feel about people on benefits.

Benefits do have to be cut. That’s just a fact. How do you expect a welfare state to function when we have fewer contributors than recipients? We cannot afford everything - we have to cut our cloth accordingly. Benefits should be reserved for those most in need of them, targeted properly. Those in work should not need their wages subsidising. The government should be forcing companies to pay employees a living wage.

There are not enough jobs though. And you cant force employers to take on disabled people. So what happens to the disabled then? No benefits but no job either. I guess the assisted dying bill is timely.

How do you expect everything to be paid for, I’d like to ask. There’s a poster upthread who’s no longer working and paying taxes and putting three children through private school, thus increasing the burden on the state school system.

We have a welfare system which more people are now benefiting from than contributing to. What is your solution?

The November budget will prove a calamity, just wait.

Then ask your question, again.

Oh absolutely this and once that mindset has kicked in it’s hard to get people to think otherwise.

Why would they be?14 years of Tory under investment, policy, Brexit disaster and waste has decimated services, budgets and pockets.

None of it is going to go away and it’s going to take years not weeks or months to put right. The Brexit impact never will and is only just beginning to bite. Food prices have risen a third from Brexit alone.

We were worse off due to vat on school fees. However, youngest has just finished her GCSEs and as most of her friends parents can’t afford/don’t want to pay the extra vat for 2 years at sixth form, their children are now going to the local sixth form college so my daughter has decided to do the same, therefore Labour has indirectly made us better off. 🎉 We’ll use the money for her uni fees so she doesn’t have to have loans and pay interest back on them.

We’re landlords so have been impacted by some changes there. We’ve just sold 2 properties to another landlord due to that. We have another property with a long term tenant in so we’re leaving that alone for now but if they give notice, the same landlord is interested in the property so we’ll probably sell to her.

I don’t know anyone who is better off under Labour, but I think we’re all better off that we will be in Reform get in. I don’t think they stand a chance but it’s a frightening prospect. Reading mumsnet, a lot of people seem to feel hopeless at the moment which is sad.

We’re getting into a death spiral as a country which is worrying. You’re right there aren’t enough jobs, mainly because we’re a service based economy and people are so skint they can’t afford to partake in such activities on which the economy is based. So shops, bars and restaurants shut, there are fewer jobs and more skint people and it gets worse. National insurance changes didn’t help.

Maybe Trump has the right idea in America about focusing on getting more manufacturing up and running in the country.

im worse off than I was before Labour came in, but it was on a downhill slide from when the Tories were in charge. I am dreading the budget.

So you like the fact that UK is now the only country to tax the education of children? SEND children at that?
What specifically about taxing education appeals to you? The fact it makes those schools even more elitist? Or just because you think you are giving "poshos" a kicking?

There is a reason no other country in the world does this, and those who tried reversed it.

Maybe Angela Rayner can give some tips. She has managed to buy three houses on a salary that wouldn’t ordinarily be enough for even one of them, the latest one in Hove.

Two houses I think? Isn’t the London one provided for her rather than she’s bought it? Might be wrong. But yes, she must be earning money above and beyond her basic salary. All politicians seem to do very well financially from various deals 🤷‍♀️. They all sicken me to be honest, all as bad as each other.

But these rights are no good if the business that would employ you no longer does!

the latest stats are out,,, labour estimated 50k job LOSSES from their meddling with NI and MW etc in April.. there has been 90k in hospitality alone, and nearly 190k overall.

and their estimates on the volume of private school kids now needing a state funded place were also out by 400%!

im not saying they don’t have some interesting ideas, the problem it’s they’re commercial illiterate and most average people can see the policies don’t pass the sniff test yet they implement them anyway. 🤷‍♂️