Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

Of course there are going to be big losses in hospitality. Brexit alone has caused food prices to go up by a third. That is a direct impact on the disposal income of everybody and also hospitality prices which have gone up to accommodate it and consumers can’t afford or justify. You’d have to be as dim as those that voted for Brexit and believed the lies to not see it coming.

There is also the issue that the quality of food and drink eating out is pretty poor- generic, chain and pre frozen. I think the whole industry needs to change. I can produce better at home .Well cooked, interesting food from independent premises as a treat is what I’d be willing to spend money on but there are very few places selling this.

Oh for goodnesss sake let it go! And enough all ready with using SEND children as a political football. You most certainly don’t care about SEND children in the state sector or the few in the private sector prior to all this . Nobody cares about the top 6% of the country. If you can’t afford private education you can’t afford it. Same as the other 94% of the country. 🙄

I'm worse off generally but other than the VAT on school fees it's hard to say if that's a direct result of Labour. I was always in favour of VAT on school fees so no complaints there.

I'm holding judgement till the end of parliament, if public services improve I'll have no issue with my lifestyle having dipped (no foreign holidays or cleaner anymore so annoying but not life changing) otherwise I'll be pissed off.

My child is SEND and I care! Do you?

@twistyizzy it's ridiculous that education is taxed. I know several families who withdrew children from private and now just work less. That's 2 doctors who have gone down to 2 days a week. How many times is that being replicated across the country?

I think it’s incredibly wrong that Rayner can name her non constituency home her main residence. Wtf is the point in having her as their MP. I do appreciate that some MPs will live outside the bounds of their constituency but personally believe they should still live fairly locally. I have no faith in Labour - sometimes they seem to have less ethics than Bojo and I fear for what is coming next.

I'm worse off. I'm surprised more people aren't annoyed by lack of pay rises, opportunities, entry level jobs - all bought on by the NI rise.

Public services won't improve as there is no clear vision for what the investments will be. All tax increases will just fund more people on benefits who have clocked that working doesn't pay....

There will be loads of MPS that do this. Loads of MPs have more than one home. Funny that the right wing press just focus on Angela Rayner

Interest rate is rapidly coming back down
inflation is down from highs of 10% under Tory government to 3%
NMW up from just over £10 per hour to just over £12

torys upped the NMW just before the election

I think they are genuinely trying to fix some issues. It’s shocking what’s come out about the tories - how close the prison system came to collapse. Getting trade deals is boring but will matter in the longer term.

Disappointed they didn’t reform benefits (taking a random 5bn out to balance the books is hardly ‘reform’ - even if it had managed to pass). The NI increase was also an own goal. And they’ve totally failed in political communication.

Don’t you pay National Insurance, which is just another tax, which goes into the black hole? Our council tax went up by 6%, my salary by 3%. Capital gains tax went from 10 to 18%. Everything we purchase is taxed, we are taxed to drive, we are literally taxed on everything So no we don’t pay 20% tax. And if you think now is costing us a lot, wait til the budget.

We are very definitely worse off. And dh has been made redundant. And the job pool is made smaller by not having an EU passport - that’s not Labour’s fault but they’re doing nothing to improve the economy or create jobs. In fact they’re making it more expensive and more difficult for companies to employ people😔.

Interesting question for me.

On paper, very much better off as my parents have gifted me their farm.

But, we’ve spent over £20k on lawyers and land agents to achieve that.

VAT on school fees has made us poorer.

the cost of doing business for us has grown massively.

I don’t actually mind paying more tax or losing my cleaner.

I do mind that when I have a job vacancy we are inundated with applications who then disappear off the face of the earth when offered a job. There are so many people living on benefits and/or cash in hand who are capable of working that aren’t. Our country has got lazy.

The government (of any party) can’t do the right things because we are in a democracy and no one will vote for it. RR had to limit her options because no one will vote for tax rises. But the benefit bill is massive, to a large extent because of state pensions and people living longer, and expectations of what the NHS will provide. Every year the UKs massive debt is going up and now the interest costs are really damaging.

Personally I would prefer to pay more tax and have better police, education, prisons, social care etc, but most people - even though they don’t realise how well off they are - just see it as stealing their money. Politicians can’t win if they tell the truth.

Loads of people can afford more tax but moan incessantly about it.

Yes and we cut off a lot of people who wanted to work following Brexit

No. Inflation is rising. It was obviously extremely high during Covid but it was decreasing nicely. Since Labour got in, it is rising and will continue to do so. If the IMF get called in, and I think they will be, then a shit show of epic proportions is coming. We cannot afford to carry on the way we are.

I'd be interested to know how anyone could tax cash-in-hand traders. It would be better if everybody refused to pay cash so that more payments were traceable. But it would be great if the super rich would pay more tax instead of being so greedy.

Oh cry me a river. If 2 x doctors can’t afford an extra £3k a year they have bigger problems than vat on private school fees. Their 28.9% pay increase under Labour should more than cover it.🙄

I work in education sector so have always cared! Majority of my feed is Education/Secondary Education because I give a fuck, I've built a career on giving a fuck.
Morally and ethically it's wrong to tax the education of children.
My Q was why does that poster support it.

Probably because it’s the right thing to do.
So care to share what you do in education as everybody I know who works in education agrees with it with bells on!

I’d say more “tongue in cheek” than a joke. If you look at the gilts mkt, Starmer and co have done more damage than Liz.

The right thing to do is to tax the education of children?
Please can you explain why that's right in the context of no other country in the works doing so?
It's right to tax education of children but not adults?

Please can you talk me through that

No they don't! Even NEU is starting to query it as impact on state schools is becoming more apparent.

Not at all.

Your first post was to slag Rayner off regarding the houses she owns, when the point of the thread was about being worse or better off under Labour. I responded to that ridiculous post with the truth.

I am neither worse or better off under Labour at the moment. Thank goodness for decent pay rises over the last few years, as I was most definitely worse off under the Tories. Food prices have gone through the roof and mortgages (interest rates) have spiralled. Labour have been left with huge debt to deal with because the Tories just spent like crazy, we have an on going problem with migrants and how to deal with them/pay for them. We have an issue with power - we need to find ways to create our own and in a cheaper and more sustainable way. Lots to fix, but they won’t get chance to make any real impact.

This country is run by a small group of very rich people and they control and/or influence the press. It won’t matter what Labour does or doesn’t do, we will just be fed the stories that are negative.

They aren't crying - they're laughing! Better work life balance, more money, places in very good state schools. Huge weight off their shoulders they've both told me.

Yep