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Is anyone better off since Labour

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Luckymum20 · 26/08/2025 20:26

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

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BeefAndHorseradishSandwich · 29/08/2025 08:13

Labour are making an absolute shit show of their one term in government. I can’t wait until they leave 🙌 I’m sure the Tories won’t do any better but at least I won’t have to listen to Keir Starmer’s lies and have Rachel Thieves continuing to fuck up the economy.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:13

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:11

Rayner has a "Burgeoning" property empire of TWO houses???? FFS the Mail is distorting the truth here.

If she has followed the rules on stamp duty, she is no more avoiding taxes than anyone who has an ISA has "avoided tax"

I believe one pp, on a different thread went to great lengths to explain the differences between avoidance and evasion.....

Optics, optics, optics.

The housing minister went, remember?

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 08:15

BeefAndHorseradishSandwich · 29/08/2025 08:13

Labour are making an absolute shit show of their one term in government. I can’t wait until they leave 🙌 I’m sure the Tories won’t do any better but at least I won’t have to listen to Keir Starmer’s lies and have Rachel Thieves continuing to fuck up the economy.

I don’t think I’ll see another Tory government in my lifetime. They’re done for the foreseeable future.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:15

Don’t leave us so soon Blossom….

You will settle for Reform in the interim, though.

Fair enough.

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:18

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:13

Optics, optics, optics.

The housing minister went, remember?

The only optic is the one you re willing to distort for your own ends.

Are you seriously telling us that a housing minister can only own 1 house and not accept a Grace and Favour flat?, a chancellor can never have an ISA... an environment minister cannot have a bonfire....

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 08:22

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:13

...and if they did, doubtless you'd be complaining they are wasting money duplicating reports?

The issue has been discovered, before any reorganisation, you re making out as if its all after the event.

No I really wouldn't because I expect due diligence.
Time and resource (taxpayer money) has already been spent into the plans and planning. Councils have already hired and paid consultants etc.
Unison had been calling for a halt to re-org since last year but it fell on deaf ears.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:25

Any tax decisions taken by chancellor Rachel Reeves will be determined by the size of the fiscal hole.

And yet, her real problem is the spending problem. Are these not enough?

Income Tax - National Insurance - Corporation Tax - Capital Gains Tax - Council Tax - Double and Triple council tax (officially Proscribed Class X 100%/200% Premium') - VAT - Excise Duty - Fuel Duty - Stamp Duty - Air Passenger Duty - Insurance Premium Tax - Green Taxes - Gambling Taxes - Plastic Bag Charges - Carbon Emissions Levy - Landfill Tax - TV Licence Fee - Congestion Charges - Sugar Tax - TV license 'tax' - North Sea Windfall tax - IHT - Now VAT on Private School Fees - plus a few more

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:26

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:18

The only optic is the one you re willing to distort for your own ends.

Are you seriously telling us that a housing minister can only own 1 house and not accept a Grace and Favour flat?, a chancellor can never have an ISA... an environment minister cannot have a bonfire....

No, I am not saying that at all.

And you are putting up a straw man (and you know it).

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 08:30

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 07:29

Thats very sad to hear but i hope you are both in a much better place now Flowers In our hurry to get our views across, can be forgotten we are all human with our own unique back stories.
Apologies for using "twist" earlier.

Thank you.
I use twist myself in other contexts but just better to leave usernames alone 😊

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:35

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:26

No, I am not saying that at all.

And you are putting up a straw man (and you know it).

Yes you are, she bought a house, paid the taxes, HMRC have strict rules on this, she followed them.

Perhaps the rules need to be tighter.... if Reeves does this, you can add "additional SDLT" to your list of taxes you don't like.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 08:42

Any tax decisions taken by chancellor Rachel Reeves will be determined by the size of the fiscal hole.

That’s not really the case though, the ideological spite taxes (education, IHT, family farm, non dom) were in play well before Labour were elected and only slightly watered down from the Oh Jeremy days. It was quite obvious they were going to find a convenient black hole despite all their ‘fully costed spending’ that made these essential and immediate and despite barely raising revenue in the short term and being net costs in the long term after behaviour change.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:44

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:35

Yes you are, she bought a house, paid the taxes, HMRC have strict rules on this, she followed them.

Perhaps the rules need to be tighter.... if Reeves does this, you can add "additional SDLT" to your list of taxes you don't like.

It looks poor and you know it does.

At a time like this when many people are feeling the pinch.

I dont know how you can defend her.

Read the room, feel the zeitgeist.

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 08:47

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 08:42

Any tax decisions taken by chancellor Rachel Reeves will be determined by the size of the fiscal hole.

That’s not really the case though, the ideological spite taxes (education, IHT, family farm, non dom) were in play well before Labour were elected and only slightly watered down from the Oh Jeremy days. It was quite obvious they were going to find a convenient black hole despite all their ‘fully costed spending’ that made these essential and immediate and despite barely raising revenue in the short term and being net costs in the long term after behaviour change.

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Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:59

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:44

It looks poor and you know it does.

At a time like this when many people are feeling the pinch.

I dont know how you can defend her.

Read the room, feel the zeitgeist.

Please don't try & bully me into what i should think, you've been told this before haven' you....

You don't give a fuck about people "feeling the pinch" as your many posts on cutting benefits shows.

i'm fully aware of what the right wing will do to lie and distort the truth.

I will judge Rayner on social housing, her renters rights bill striking the correct balance, not on her buying a house in Hove, all above board.

Allisnotlost1 · 29/08/2025 09:13

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 14:33

Yeah it does sound bad, but it’s about weighing up priorities when voting and I’d rather that than education tax on UK children for example. See how it pans out, I don’t really know much about this Taliban thing by the way so can’t really comment.

You did comment though - you said you’d rather ‘that’ (ie taxes to the Taliban, as per pp) than education tax on UK children.

You’d rather give money to a regime that would happily destroy everything you value in the name of a god you don’t believe in, than have parents pay more tax if they elect for private education. Are you sure?

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 09:17

Allisnotlost1 · 29/08/2025 09:13

You did comment though - you said you’d rather ‘that’ (ie taxes to the Taliban, as per pp) than education tax on UK children.

You’d rather give money to a regime that would happily destroy everything you value in the name of a god you don’t believe in, than have parents pay more tax if they elect for private education. Are you sure?

Yes, 100% sure.

MillyMolliMandi · 29/08/2025 09:19

@TwistyIzzy- apologies
Earlier I did suggest that you were a right-wing shrill/bot. You post so often and with such contempt of other opinions that it seemed likely. I guess the anger is partly to do with increased private school fees and you need to vent on here - I hope things work out.

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 09:20

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 09:17

Yes, 100% sure.

Jesus wept. 😳

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 09:21

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 29/08/2025 09:17

Yes, 100% sure.

The Taliban killed over 450 uk servicemen and women... so no, anyone who wants to fund the Taliban after knowing this, needs to consider if they still would had it been their DC dead in Afghanistan.

I hope you don't wear a poppy.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 09:23

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:59

Please don't try & bully me into what i should think, you've been told this before haven' you....

You don't give a fuck about people "feeling the pinch" as your many posts on cutting benefits shows.

i'm fully aware of what the right wing will do to lie and distort the truth.

I will judge Rayner on social housing, her renters rights bill striking the correct balance, not on her buying a house in Hove, all above board.

I am not going to engage in tit-for-tat with you - as much as you appear keen to provoke me.

What I will say is this - the adverse media and data are coming thick and fast for Labour now - I am happy to allow this to inform poster’s views.

To this end, I shall be eagerly awaiting the outcome of the Epping hearing later today, which, if it goes against Cooper, will cap a torrid week for a torrid government.

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 09:25

MillyMolliMandi · 29/08/2025 09:19

@TwistyIzzy- apologies
Earlier I did suggest that you were a right-wing shrill/bot. You post so often and with such contempt of other opinions that it seemed likely. I guess the anger is partly to do with increased private school fees and you need to vent on here - I hope things work out.

Yes you did and no I'm not. If you search you will see how long I've been on MN.

I am extremely angry about the taxing of children's education because it directly impacts the lives of my family, child, het friends and community. I make no apologies for that. Its a mean and spiteful policy.
I am also angry at Labour's divisive language to stoke up class warfare against the children in independent schools. Ultimately they are the victims but supporters of VAT are happy to call them all the names under the sun because they feel justified in kicking "poshos". At the end of the day we are talking about children.

The fact you paint me as an angry woman ie connotations of unwarranted hysteria, is incredibly misogynistic. Maybe if your child had been attacked by the Government and then that was doubled down on here, you too would be angry?

I hold the government and their ideology in contempt, not other posters.

Kdfjh4847 · 29/08/2025 09:31

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 09:25

Yes you did and no I'm not. If you search you will see how long I've been on MN.

I am extremely angry about the taxing of children's education because it directly impacts the lives of my family, child, het friends and community. I make no apologies for that. Its a mean and spiteful policy.
I am also angry at Labour's divisive language to stoke up class warfare against the children in independent schools. Ultimately they are the victims but supporters of VAT are happy to call them all the names under the sun because they feel justified in kicking "poshos". At the end of the day we are talking about children.

The fact you paint me as an angry woman ie connotations of unwarranted hysteria, is incredibly misogynistic. Maybe if your child had been attacked by the Government and then that was doubled down on here, you too would be angry?

I hold the government and their ideology in contempt, not other posters.

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Ah but you conveniently don’t care about the class warfare and massive disadvantage private education brings to the majority do you. It’s all ok when your child, family and friends get those advantages at a cost to everybody else. You don’t care about children,just your own. We’re not daft. 🙄

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twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 09:33

Kdfjh4847 · 29/08/2025 09:31

Ah but you conveniently don’t care about the class warfare and massive disadvantage private education brings to the majority do you. It’s all ok when your child, family and friends get those advantages at a cost to everybody else. You don’t care about children,just your own. We’re not daft. 🙄

Yeh play into those stereotypes why don't you. Just perpetuate false stereotypes and misinformation.
Can't even be arsed at this point.

Kdfjh4847 · 29/08/2025 09:34

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 09:33

Yeh play into those stereotypes why don't you. Just perpetuate false stereotypes and misinformation.
Can't even be arsed at this point.

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Can’t be arsed means you have no argument. You can be arsed to sit on this thread morning, noon and night.

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