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Is anyone better off since Labour

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Luckymum20 · 26/08/2025 20:26

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

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twistyizzy · 28/08/2025 19:47

Kdfjh4847 · 28/08/2025 19:43

She/ he is called Twisty for a reason!

And yeh, that's a personal attack. 1 of your supporters in particular would recognise it as such

smallpinecone · 28/08/2025 20:35

twistyizzy · 28/08/2025 19:45

I am called Twisty cos my DD was seriously ill when she was a baby hence spent a lot of time crying and twisting. I had severe post partum depression and was suicidal, so it was my attempt to lighten my situation. But yeh take the piss.

That’s so sad to hear, I’m sorry it was so tough for you both. Hope you’re both in a better space now 🌺 🌸

twistyizzy · 28/08/2025 20:37

smallpinecone · 28/08/2025 20:35

That’s so sad to hear, I’m sorry it was so tough for you both. Hope you’re both in a better space now 🌺 🌸

We are thank you but it's 1 reason why I only had 1 DC xx

WhitegreeNcandle · 29/08/2025 07:08

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/08/2025 19:35

EU subsidies are being cut in the EU as well; French farmers are about as happy as farmers in the UK, but more action oriented in their protest! The UK has replaced subsides for food protection with subsidies for environmental measures, which is laudable and being embraced by many farmers.

The key BREXIT issue affecting UK farmers is the availability of labour, but that immigrant labour force had already shifted from the traditional Spain / Portugal sources in the ‘80s/‘90s, to Poland in the ‘00s then further east into Latvia / Romania by the 2010s as Eastern European economies developed and labour providers had to move further and further east. They even sourced from Russia, though obviously the sanctions prevented that.

So even pre BREXIT it was becoming increasingly difficult to get labour. What happens today? It comes from South America, Nepal, Africa. And it costs more as, quite rightly, employers have to pick up travel and visa costs. But that’s just part of an inexorable rise in a labour cost, layered in top of much higher energy costs (where the UK is massively out of step with much of the world) and depressed commodity prices that have followed poor economic growth around much of the world. On top of that the war in Ukraine has massively shifted supply routes, with the grain that used to, go into Russia now flooding EU markets. So it’s not quite as simple as you claim :)

You speak a lot of truth! I’d add in the cost of raw material shooting up. Our electric has gone through the roof, water and council tax as well. When they’re added into staff accommodation costs it’s loopy how much it costs.

It made me chuckle this week to see that agricultural college applications have rocketed. I think they all want to be cheerful Charlie’s not farm workers milking at 4am or shutting up hens at 11pm on a summers evening.

Some farmers are making a fair bit of money now. But when you add in the risk involved and the family hours worked it’s never quite as good as it seems.

I think the next 10 years are going to transform the agricultural landscape.

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 07:29

twistyizzy · 28/08/2025 19:45

I am called Twisty cos my DD was seriously ill when she was a baby hence spent a lot of time crying and twisting. I had severe post partum depression and was suicidal, so it was my attempt to lighten my situation. But yeh take the piss.

Thats very sad to hear but i hope you are both in a much better place now Flowers In our hurry to get our views across, can be forgotten we are all human with our own unique back stories.
Apologies for using "twist" earlier.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:30

Kdfjh4847 · 28/08/2025 19:43

She/ he is called Twisty for a reason!

What a nasty comment to make.

the80sweregreat · 29/08/2025 07:34

Surely Angela raynor has to go after this latest scandal with not paying the stamp duty fees? Can you imagine if this was a conservative MP they would be after blood! ( honestly , I have never voted conservative myself)

Kdfjh4847 · 29/08/2025 07:34

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:30

What a nasty comment to make.

I don’t think continually aggressively twisting comments is particularly nice either but there you go.

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 07:42

Kdfjh4847 · 29/08/2025 07:34

I don’t think continually aggressively twisting comments is particularly nice either but there you go.

You mean continually trying to hold Labour to account for their many fuck ups? Like all those posts during Tory years and election? What is the continued criticism of Liz Truss? Or is only "aggressively twisting" when it's against something you support? It seems highly hypocritical to call me aggressively twisting when plenty of that goes on against other parties on other threads, and went on ad nauseum under Tory government.

Politics is passionate because it directly impacts people's lives but don't forget there are people behind the posts. What I don't do is make fun of people's usernames etc because I understand there is usually a back story to them.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:45

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 07:42

You mean continually trying to hold Labour to account for their many fuck ups? Like all those posts during Tory years and election? What is the continued criticism of Liz Truss? Or is only "aggressively twisting" when it's against something you support? It seems highly hypocritical to call me aggressively twisting when plenty of that goes on against other parties on other threads, and went on ad nauseum under Tory government.

Politics is passionate because it directly impacts people's lives but don't forget there are people behind the posts. What I don't do is make fun of people's usernames etc because I understand there is usually a back story to them.

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Seconded.

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 07:45

the80sweregreat · 29/08/2025 07:34

Surely Angela raynor has to go after this latest scandal with not paying the stamp duty fees? Can you imagine if this was a conservative MP they would be after blood! ( honestly , I have never voted conservative myself)

Boris went for a piece of cake (admittedly a lot more prior to that) but ultimately a cake did for him. Yes agree, swop any of the Labour issues for Tories and posters on here would be up in arms.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:46

Hopefully the Epping right to appeal decision will go against the government later, topping a truly torrid week for this Labour shower.

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 07:49

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:46

Hopefully the Epping right to appeal decision will go against the government later, topping a truly torrid week for this Labour shower.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9wxnlnrxdo

Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner exits a vehicle in Downing Street in London, Britain, March 26, 2025.

Ministers didn't do cost review of English council mergers

The government relied on a report by a lobbyist group that now says reorganisation could make no savings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9wxnlnrxdo

the80sweregreat · 29/08/2025 07:49

It’s the hypocrisy of AR. I bet she wants out really, seeing how far she can push it , but that’s only my opinion. I tend to zone out whenever her and Keir starmer come on tv. That are losing so much support.

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:52

I mean, honestly.

Ange is gradually getting found out, isn’t she?

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 07:57

Welfare payments are on course to cost individual taxpayers £3,000 a year by the end of the decade as Britain’s benefits system becomes “unsustainable”, a think tank has warned.

Soaring inflation and rising benefits claims means the size of the welfare state will grow by a fifth by 2030, according to a report by Onward.

The think tank said that government spending had become “uncontrollable” because a large number of welfare payments, including universal credit and personal independence payment (PIP), are uprated in line with inflation.
It means the welfare state is on course to cost individual Britons £3,000 a year by 2030, up from £2,650 currently.

The findings will ramp up pressure on Rachel Reeves who is plotting further tax rises at her autumn Budget to fix a black hole in the country’s finances.

the80sweregreat · 29/08/2025 07:59

It may have been a tax loop hole, no idea, but it looks bad for AR . They are discussing it on lbc , but I suppose nothing will happen to her.

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:01

A report done under the last tory Govt.... which has now been found to be inaccurate before changes made....

Whats the issue?

Northquit · 29/08/2025 08:02

Angela Rayner is doing well. Enough income for a new home away from her constituency.
One might assume she's changed where she's voting because she knows Ashton will not be voting for her at the next election.

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 08:09

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:01

A report done under the last tory Govt.... which has now been found to be inaccurate before changes made....

Whats the issue?

If you were Labour coming in, would you rely on a report done under the Tories or would you do your own fact finding?

Considering Laboyr lambasted Tories for their handling of the public finances, it seems slightly strange that they wouldn't do their own due diligence. This is becoming a pattern: rely on 1 single report to create policy without doing any further due diligence and then fund out down the line that report was inaccurate/wrong etc.

I would be fired for gross misconduct if I did that. Every report I write which may change policy in my organisation has to have multiple sources from all sides. But seemingly that isn't required for UK policy making.
"Speaking to MPs in June, Rayner said: "Local government reorganisation will lead to better outcomes for residents and save a significant amount of money that can be reinvested in public services and improve accountability."But her department insisted it was not necessary to commission separate in-house analysis of the cost of reorganisation at the public's expense, in response to the BBC's freedom of information request"

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2025 08:10

Northquit · 29/08/2025 08:02

Angela Rayner is doing well. Enough income for a new home away from her constituency.
One might assume she's changed where she's voting because she knows Ashton will not be voting for her at the next election.

One might assume your knowledge of electoral process is negligible if you think that holds any logic.

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:11

Rayner has a "Burgeoning" property empire of TWO houses???? FFS the Mail is distorting the truth here.

If she has followed the rules on stamp duty, she is no more avoiding taxes than anyone who has an ISA has "avoided tax"

I believe one pp, on a different thread went to great lengths to explain the differences between avoidance and evasion.....

MyNameIsX · 29/08/2025 08:12

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:01

A report done under the last tory Govt.... which has now been found to be inaccurate before changes made....

Whats the issue?

An absurd comment.

When you have spent the last 14 months lambasting the previous government, and with talk of every expanding black holes etc.

Be serious, please.

Dippythedino · 29/08/2025 08:12

No more better off than under a Tory one

Alexandra2001 · 29/08/2025 08:13

twistyizzy · 29/08/2025 08:09

If you were Labour coming in, would you rely on a report done under the Tories or would you do your own fact finding?

Considering Laboyr lambasted Tories for their handling of the public finances, it seems slightly strange that they wouldn't do their own due diligence. This is becoming a pattern: rely on 1 single report to create policy without doing any further due diligence and then fund out down the line that report was inaccurate/wrong etc.

I would be fired for gross misconduct if I did that. Every report I write which may change policy in my organisation has to have multiple sources from all sides. But seemingly that isn't required for UK policy making.
"Speaking to MPs in June, Rayner said: "Local government reorganisation will lead to better outcomes for residents and save a significant amount of money that can be reinvested in public services and improve accountability."But her department insisted it was not necessary to commission separate in-house analysis of the cost of reorganisation at the public's expense, in response to the BBC's freedom of information request"

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...and if they did, doubtless you'd be complaining they are wasting money duplicating reports?

The issue has been discovered, before any reorganisation, you re making out as if its all after the event.

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