Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

Whataboutery

🤣You mean the truth

Yes I used to feel like that too. It got me through some very dark days in those years.
Then Chilcot happened. For a woman with a very similar story to mine, past and present, I will never understand how you can feel the way you do about Blair. I'll leave it there as this is a little too personal for me.

Whataboutery seems to be “Any fact that’s inconvenient and interferes with my prejudices”.

We weren't talking about Brexit. We were talking about how Labour, and their supporters, demonise and "other" groups they are attacking. The narrative around "wealthy" farmers is a prime example.
Then PP throws in "well what about Brexit" which has no bearing on the direction of discussion. It's a deflection tactic

We weren't talking about Brexit. We were talking about how Labour, and their supporters, demonise and "other" groups they are attacking. The narrative around "wealthy" farmers is a prime example.Then PP throws in "well what about Brexit" which has no bearing on the direction of discussion. It's a deflection tactic

About as much as Labour is paying you.
Are you calling me a bot?

More insults from the far right!

You can't help yourself can you? the pp & you said LD Greens etc don't stand.. yet they do, you don't like being called out so use condescension... pathetic, no wonder you lot lost soooooo heavily last year.

So we ignore the truth because it doesn’t fit your narrative- okaaaay

No, we ignore your attempt to deflect. We weren't talking about Brexit

Nope but I don’t sit on this thread morning noon and night. Every time I check in you’re on it and posting.

So that suggests you are also on it frequently too if you're on it at the same time as me

Oh are conservatives far right now? Marvellous. I'll add it to my collection.
It's not me who persistently throws insults.

EU subsidies are being cut in the EU as well; French farmers are about as happy as farmers in the UK, but more action oriented in their protest! The UK has replaced subsides for food protection with subsidies for environmental measures, which is laudable and being embraced by many farmers.

The key BREXIT issue affecting UK farmers is the availability of labour, but that immigrant labour force had already shifted from the traditional Spain / Portugal sources in the ‘80s/‘90s, to Poland in the ‘00s then further east into Latvia / Romania by the 2010s as Eastern European economies developed and labour providers had to move further and further east. They even sourced from Russia, though obviously the sanctions prevented that.

So even pre BREXIT it was becoming increasingly difficult to get labour. What happens today? It comes from South America, Nepal, Africa. And it costs more as, quite rightly, employers have to pick up travel and visa costs. But that’s just part of an inexorable rise in a labour cost, layered in top of much higher energy costs (where the UK is massively out of step with much of the world) and depressed commodity prices that have followed poor economic growth around much of the world. On top of that the war in Ukraine has massively shifted supply routes, with the grain that used to, go into Russia now flooding EU markets. So it’s not quite as simple as you claim :)

That seems to be the mo of many Labour supporters on mn to be fair.

Not reflecting simply challenging your ridiculous attempt to whip up and manipulate anything and everything to pile blame on Labour after being in power a few months. Farmers were struggling with Brexit fallout long before Labour came to power .

Nope... Farm incomes have risen and as i said, rightly so.

The Dairy farmer nr me, who we know personally, made a net profit last year of over 200k
Female Dairy farmer moaning about IHT had shut up on SM after her business made record profits....

Like i said, a Sheep farmer on here says she is making very good money from Lamb.

Arable is much harder to profit from.

Don't twist and pretend many farmers aren't doing well.

Do you mean any statement? As the post in question was light on fact ;)

You are deflecting. We were talking about how Labour "other" people, that's nothing to do with Brexit. Absolutely feeble attempt from you.

Nope

Nope

She/ he is called Twisty for a reason!

A net profit of £200k is meaningless without knowing (a) the turnover and (b) the capital employed in the business. If turnover is £500k and it’s got £100k of assets and is a one man band then it’s outstanding. If turnover is £8 million and it operates with £5 million of land, machinery and buildings asset, while employing 30 people, the £200k is rubbish. So more context needed to support your claim I think :)

I am called Twisty cos my DD was seriously ill when she was a baby hence spent a lot of time crying and twisting. I had severe post partum depression and was suicidal, so it was my attempt to lighten my situation. But yeh take the piss.