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Is anyone better off since Labour

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Luckymum20 · 26/08/2025 20:26

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

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Katypp · 28/08/2025 09:28

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:26

So I don't work?
Everyone I know who sends their child to independent school works ie is a PAYE working person. We just aren't train drivers so I know that automatically excludes us.

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Labour are morphing into the party for public sector workers and those not working.
As none of them have actually run a business, they seem to think that all businesses are run like big corporates are, so increasing regulations and costs are easily accommodated.
Hence why their supporters always bob up and say 'if your business can't afford x, y or z, you should not be running a business', ignoring the fact that SMEs employ many people in the UK.
My husband is one casualty of Labour, working for a company supporting a plant that has closed because of Starmer's US tariff agreement. The increase in NI was the nail in the coffin.
But hey, the company he worked for does not deserve to exist, so it's all good.

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 09:29

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 09:23

Brilliant. This is what I mean about the authoritarian ideology, you are frightened to possibly blaspheme against Labour by having an impartial view on their policies. I think I’ll rest my case there.

I’m frightened of nothing. Present me with some actual policies you object to instead of figments of your imagination and we can discuss them. I’m certainly not going to debate nonsense. Anyone who sees my posts over various threads would know that I’ve been extremely vocal about my disappointment with some aspects of this government over the last few months. There’s plenty of reality to disappoint me without concocting fairy tales.

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 09:32

a company supporting a plant that has closed because of Starmer's US tariff agreement

How does that work when the UK has a better tariff agreement with the US than virtually the rest of the world?

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 09:34

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 09:20

I did Google it. So I’ll share my source (unlike you). It’s rather more nuanced.

Interestingly, the previous month’s data has already undergone significant revision: the reported 109,000 decrease in payrolled jobs for May 2025 (compared to April) has been revised to a much smaller decline of 25,000 thanks to the inclusion of late RTI submissions — a reminder of how volatile these early estimates can be.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uk-labour-market-snapshot-june-2025-job-numbers-fall-rise-anna-ppxne#:~:text=The%20latest%20data%20from%20the,Wage%20Growth%20Remains%20Strong

Christ almighty- I even told you where to find it and cited the parliamentary website to ensure you found the legit one!!

but, yeah, you use social media as the link.

Read the entire thing, and note the methodology flaws highlighted on the positive ones before head lining.

also note (mentally removing the covid period) how all metrics trended positively for most of the last decade)

I’ll save you the Google (and the top result!)

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9366/

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 09:36

Wage growth remains strong? They must have read a different report.. inflation adjusted is about 1% - and that’s against inflation which includes buying cars etc..

real life day to day we’re in decline - as I’m sure you know.

Katypp · 28/08/2025 09:36

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 09:32

a company supporting a plant that has closed because of Starmer's US tariff agreement

How does that work when the UK has a better tariff agreement with the US than virtually the rest of the world?

Because Starmer agreed on a 0% tariff for us imports on this particular item
I don't really want to go into any more detail because it is quite specific but is is definitely the reason the plant closed, hence my DH's job going as most of the work for the microbusiness he was employed by came from this plant.

Theolittle · 28/08/2025 09:37

Nestingbirds · 28/08/2025 02:30

The Labour Party wreck the economy every single time they galn power. Historically this is true!!!! It is a fact. The Conservatives are then voted back in by a desperate nation on the brink. Labour have not and will not invest in anything - you are again selling a pipe dream and lying.

You can only invest in the infrastructure with a prosperous working nation that is growing and expanding. Otherwise you are just accumulating debt. Reeves has done the total opposite of creating growth - they have been in post for over a year already - things have gone from bad to worse.

There is no plan or policies in place to improve anything. Hence the stats on this thread. They speak for themselves. Most people are worse off.

A recession is looming - I so hope that it can be avoided but the incompetence of this current Labour government is eye watering.

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Where is the evidence that labour wreck the economy? This is what is spouted by the right wing press. The tories inherited 1 trillion of debt, built up over many years. It increased to 2 trillion after bailing out the banks in the global financial crisis, despite the first 10 years of austerity, . Then to 2.5 trillion after Covid. That’s the massive problem the country has to resolve- immigration is a drop in the ocean compared to that problem

Pharazon · 28/08/2025 09:37

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 09:32

a company supporting a plant that has closed because of Starmer's US tariff agreement

How does that work when the UK has a better tariff agreement with the US than virtually the rest of the world?

Presumably because it's still a lot worse than what we had before - in particular the scrapping of the de minimus rule. Blaming 'Starmer's US tariff agreement' is laughable though - it's by far the best we could do and the scrapping of the de minimus is across the board and was not up for negotiation.

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 09:37

The ability to slather lipstick on a pig is astounding.

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 09:41

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 09:12

I suppose people are going to want a source for the job loses - just google it and you’ll find the latest ONS report on the parliament website - we’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg.. note the remarks on LFS being inaccurate so to look at the supplementary data for full picture..

PAYE - Down 110k to June and we’re now another quarter on.

Unemployment up 206k in last 3
months.

Falling vacancies available - we’re lower than pre-pandemic.

No one other than labour with their changes implemented in the last 6 months are killing people’s prospects. And as ever, the job loses are at the poorest end of the spectrum making benefit claimants spiral.

they’ve created a death loop of under investment for private sector and I suspect they’re in too deep to change course. Buckle up!

God, I can't bear the willful ignorance and pretence that the state of the country is down to a year of the Labour government. I don't believe you are that simplistic or even believe this nonsense.

Katypp · 28/08/2025 09:42

Pharazon · 28/08/2025 09:37

Presumably because it's still a lot worse than what we had before - in particular the scrapping of the de minimus rule. Blaming 'Starmer's US tariff agreement' is laughable though - it's by far the best we could do and the scrapping of the de minimus is across the board and was not up for negotiation.

I'm not laughing, I can assure you.
As i said, this is quite a specific tariff agreement for this particular industry, and was cited as the reason in the redundancy letter.
So generally, you are right, we do have a better agreement than other countries. But please don't patronise me by saying a fact is 'laughable'. It really isn't in our family.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 09:56

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 09:41

God, I can't bear the willful ignorance and pretence that the state of the country is down to a year of the Labour government. I don't believe you are that simplistic or even believe this nonsense.

It’s more that the state of the country is much worse since Labour have taken over that is the problem.

twistyizzy · 28/08/2025 09:56

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 09:37

The ability to slather lipstick on a pig is astounding.

It's fine, we will be due another "reset" soon. Because the others have gone so well.

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 10:24

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 08:09

Time is just giving them more opportunity to cock up.

Every time they announce a plan to fill a ‘black hole’ they make it worse when everyone tells them it’ll make it worse.

It’s like watching a child run into a wall on purpose despite telling them not to, then then complaining it’s someone else’s fault because someone else built the wall 14 years ago.

No, it is not like that at all, it is like saying to a 16 year old who has failed their GCSE's, who has lived in care for a year as their family can no longer afford to look after them, that you make your own luck in this life and 14 years of austerity have had no bearing at all on this outcome which we all know is complete rubbish!

It is like saying that the the savings that councils had to make due to austerity in the 2010s so the 800 libraries closing, hundreds of swimming pools and Leisure centres, 700 local football pitches and 1342 children’s centres had no bearing on the outcomes for austerity children!

It is like saying that when in 2012 UNICEF found that the UK was one of three out of thirty countries in Europe that found 44 % of children were living in conditions of severe material deprivation; this was going to have no long term impact on the UK's prosperity. Oh and by the way, the other two countries were Romania and Italy, Italy being the only other G7 country alongside the UK!

The impact of the austerity measures are what Labour inherited so no, sadly all that damage done won't take 12 months to fix!

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 10:32

I don’t even think it’s fixable. Those libraries, swimming pools and Surestart centres have gone for ever, not to mention the football pitches which now have housing estates on them.

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 10:38

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 10:32

I don’t even think it’s fixable. Those libraries, swimming pools and Surestart centres have gone for ever, not to mention the football pitches which now have housing estates on them.

Oh yes, irreparable damage in the case of much of that list including the 'Cratchit' like existence for many families!

Katypp · 28/08/2025 10:40

The question is what have Labour done in the past year that has made things better?
Because it's all very well banging on about the past 14 years, but what is Labour doing to improve things?
Because if we are just in for another 4 years of the past being used as a reason the present and future is not changing, what is the point?
Labour were voted in because they promised change. They spent 14 years carping about every policy the Tories made and certainly gave the impression to voters that things would be very different under their moral, fair, organised and efficient leadership.
Now there is still a hard-core of supporters defending Reeves' budgeting decisions, ministerial resignations and hypocrisy and failures to act on problems they gave the impression they would sort out easily (Smashing the gangs for example) but the majority of those who voted for them feel very let down.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 10:46

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 10:24

No, it is not like that at all, it is like saying to a 16 year old who has failed their GCSE's, who has lived in care for a year as their family can no longer afford to look after them, that you make your own luck in this life and 14 years of austerity have had no bearing at all on this outcome which we all know is complete rubbish!

It is like saying that the the savings that councils had to make due to austerity in the 2010s so the 800 libraries closing, hundreds of swimming pools and Leisure centres, 700 local football pitches and 1342 children’s centres had no bearing on the outcomes for austerity children!

It is like saying that when in 2012 UNICEF found that the UK was one of three out of thirty countries in Europe that found 44 % of children were living in conditions of severe material deprivation; this was going to have no long term impact on the UK's prosperity. Oh and by the way, the other two countries were Romania and Italy, Italy being the only other G7 country alongside the UK!

The impact of the austerity measures are what Labour inherited so no, sadly all that damage done won't take 12 months to fix!

Not really it’s like saying how does taxing education and closing schools improve education. How does taxing jobs improve the number of jobs. How does taxing family farms improve farming. How does only allowing people whose parents had a specific profession when they were 14 apply for internships improve the civil service. How does negative rhetoric against the top 10% of tax payers and their children to the point they want to leave the country help public finances, How does paying huge sections of the population to do nothing help the economy. It’s basic things like that.

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 10:51

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 10:32

I don’t even think it’s fixable. Those libraries, swimming pools and Surestart centres have gone for ever, not to mention the football pitches which now have housing estates on them.

labour are ‘fixing the housing crisis’ by building on these things - any open space is fair game on the new planning regulations they want to see implemented. How can houses being built on open space be associated with core Tory policy is amusing to say the least.

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 10:54

BeavisMcTavish · 28/08/2025 10:51

labour are ‘fixing the housing crisis’ by building on these things - any open space is fair game on the new planning regulations they want to see implemented. How can houses being built on open space be associated with core Tory policy is amusing to say the least.

Again, really?

English councils have sold off a yearly average of 6000 assets, why do you think they had to do that in the Conservative austerity years?

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 10:58

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 10:46

Not really it’s like saying how does taxing education and closing schools improve education. How does taxing jobs improve the number of jobs. How does taxing family farms improve farming. How does only allowing people whose parents had a specific profession when they were 14 apply for internships improve the civil service. How does negative rhetoric against the top 10% of tax payers and their children to the point they want to leave the country help public finances, How does paying huge sections of the population to do nothing help the economy. It’s basic things like that.

No it really isn't. You are talking from a position of privilege and you need to step out of that bubble and take a look around.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 11:00

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 10:58

No it really isn't. You are talking from a position of privilege and you need to step out of that bubble and take a look around.

You need to decolonise your mindset.

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 11:10

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 11:00

You need to decolonise your mindset.

What does that mean?

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 11:18

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 11:00

You need to decolonise your mindset.

I genuinely don't know what this means?

And actually re-reading my post, I don't like the bossiness so apologies if that came across as rude.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 28/08/2025 11:19

Goldenbear · 28/08/2025 11:10

What does that mean?

No idea, I thought we were just saying meaningless left wing phrases to each other

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