Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

Which part of what I wrote is a personal attack. The exact words please where I directed a personal attack at you.

That huge error is at the root cause of many of our problems, not least immigration & the rise of the far right

On tenants reforms, its a continuation of Tory policy.

Aside from VAT on fees i do not recognise your other Labour "policies" they don' exist.
NHS Trusts and Uni's have their own independent admissions criteria but its sad you re against some help for the most disadvantaged.

You don't recognise "job tax, pension in the IHT, farm tax, only ‘working class’ applicants to civil service"??? Even though they are actually policy you don't recognise them?

Are you saying I'm not OK? Are you making a personal attack?

Where is the personal attack?

Job tax and farm tax is only used by the opposition, they don't exist, one has a TH of 3m, 10yrs to pay and is 1/2 what anyone else pays...... Farm incomes are booming!!

Any tax can be inaccurately described.

You may as well say the NMW increases are "Job Taxes"

And I wonder why he said that?

Because he’s a realist and it’s true? 🤷‍♀️

If only it was as easy as not recognising Labour's policies @Alexandra2001 , if only.

There isn't one, obviously

How many farmers do you know? What's the income of an average farmer to be able to pay IHT off over any amount of years? How many farms have been sold since this came in precisely because families can't afford it? Who buys those farms which are for sale?
Once a farm is gone, it's gone and you can't get it (or the land) back.
It's a fucking ignorant tax which ensures we lose food security and swathes of the countryside.

Nobody held a gun to Cameron’s head and forced him to hold a referendum - oh wait, the ERG faction of his party kind of did.

only ‘working class’ applicants to civil service, floating limiting ‘middle class’ priority access to state schools and NHS, university quotas based on skin colour and parents background, house tax, tenant reform

All of this is untrue, apart from renters’ rights. It’s the classic tactic - take a grain of truth then twist it into a travesty.

Except Raynor literally announced the access to Civil Service internship to be restricted to the list of "working people" they published.....there were several threads on MN about it

Ask NFU on farm incomes? livestock and Dairy doing very well.

We have never had "Food Security" made worse by Brexit

Farms pre nineties, IHT was full amount and 6 months to pay, yet we still had farms.

Farms have struggled due to loss of CAP, i don't recall those on the right being quite so concerned......

Nor bothered by the sell off of land for housing or HS2..... but the moment Lab are in, somehow we are all going to starve!!

I’m assuming you disagree with those policies as stupid identity politics, if I proved to you this was true would you change your opinion of Labour?

They’re not policies. Obviously you can’t prove anything because you just made them up. Why would you want to change my mind anyway? I’m not trying to change yours, simply correcting the misinformation you’re posting.

Funny - Job Tax is pretty accurate give the number of jobs that no longer exist is 190k vs their forecast of 50k

I'm not going to continue the discussion Twisty. Your passive aggressive remarks to me and others make it all a bit tedious. However you are a very loud voice on all these threads about labour, VAT on private schools and so on. You always have 'the data' but never offer a solution. I genuinely don't know where you would place your vote in the future but I hope you would do so with a bit more thought and compassion than you demonstrate on here.

Ah so you don't really know. Thanks for clarifying.

Livestock are taking a massive hit due to the horrendously dry spring and summer. Grass yields + therefore hay/silage yields are down etc. Farmers are having to feed winter feed to livestock now, there's a national shortage. Which means the cost of producing each individual livestock goes up whilst the cost of meat doesn't. So they lose money.

Arable have been adversely hit the last few years.

I hate HS2, campaigned against it etc. It has decorated huge swathes of farmland and woodland/nature etc.

Great because you bring nothing to it.
Call me passive agressive and then end with an extremely aggressive comment.

FYI you "started" engaging with me by saying I had an agenda, then again by saying i was showing my true colours. I think your agenda is pretty clear too.

Bye. No need to engage any further.

I’m not sure if that’s a yes I’d change my mind if you proved to me Labours daft petty identity politics or no I agree with all that stuff and think it’s an amazing way to Govern.

Let me make it clearer for you. You can’t prove something that exists only in your imagination. So it’s neither.

I suppose people are going to want a source for the job loses - just google it and you’ll find the latest ONS report on the parliament website - we’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg.. note the remarks on LFS being inaccurate so to look at the supplementary data for full picture..

PAYE - Down 110k to June and we’re now another quarter on.

Unemployment up 206k in last 3
months.

Falling vacancies available - we’re lower than pre-pandemic.

No one other than labour with their changes implemented in the last 6 months are killing people’s prospects. And as ever, the job loses are at the poorest end of the spectrum making benefit claimants spiral.

they’ve created a death loop of under investment for private sector and I suspect they’re in too deep to change course. Buckle up!

I did Google it. So I’ll share my source (unlike you). It’s rather more nuanced.

Interestingly, the previous month’s data has already undergone significant revision: the reported 109,000 decrease in payrolled jobs for May 2025 (compared to April) has been revised to a much smaller decline of 25,000 thanks to the inclusion of late RTI submissions — a reminder of how volatile these early estimates can be.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uk-labour-market-snapshot-june-2025-job-numbers-fall-rise-anna-ppxne#:~:text=The%20latest%20data%20from%20the,Wage%20Growth%20Remains%20Strong

Brilliant. This is what I mean about the authoritarian ideology, you are frightened to possibly blaspheme against Labour by having an impartial view on their policies. I think I’ll rest my case there.

I'm neither better nor worse off under Labour. Except for inflation and fuel prices, which are large business interests gouging us to our marrow and funnelling our money out of the economy. Seems to be how it is these days and nobody in power cares a damn to stop it.

My main comment is that I don't care about Labour. I cannot. I was a lifelong Labour voter, I have a life that is in no small part thanks to their postwar policies and a genuine trickling down of opportunity so that I got a free and decent tertiary education and have made a good life thanks to that. I look at them now, and they are nothing and nobody decent. There is just nothing there. Empty and complicit in war crimes. Powerless to stop the dismantling of the NHS from inside. Too craven to care about the disabled. Flaccid.