Is anyone better off since Labour

[Luckymum20]

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

No. I'm in fe and the sector is underfunded and reeling from getting teeny hand outs and large ni bills

Dreading new fuel bills etc.

The government need to cut their cloth. Instead of complaining about not having enough money, reduce public spending to the amount that they have coming in. People need to come to grips with the fact that not everyone deserves a middle-class lifestyle with new cars, holidays, the latest gadgets etc.

Ridiculous to expect them to make more than a half-assed attempt at reform?

I do actually have high expectations of our government - don’t you? Although it’s obvious they’re not up to the job, and perhaps you recognise that. I’m surprised your standards in politics are so low and you don’t feel we deserve better.

As for why you think it would take them at least a decade to put anything right - I suspect you’re pulling that number out of thin air. Who knows what they could have accomplished in the time they’ve been given? We’ll never know, because they haven’t bothered to try.

As for why you think it would take them at least a decade to put anything right - I suspect you’re pulling that number out of thin air.

Quite possibly because Starmer said it would take two terms when he came into office. Perhaps, if you think it’s so easy, you could explain why the Tories didn’t do it? They had 14 years. Based on your reasoning we should be living in paradise now.

You can implement a policy and then stick to it though
winter fuel it will save us this - resitance oh we will back track and make it !£35000 cut of , where as thought through we will being it in with a £25000 cut off ( inline with full time min wage )we will cut benefit bill - small resistance - actually no we won’t - back to the drawing board

Both Labour and the Conservatives have been responsible for the managed slow economic decline of the UK basically since the financial crisis of 2008.

But specifically in relation to Labour I am deeply concerned about their inability to see the secondary impacts of their actions and to manage the economy. For example Labour increased the level of NI on employers. Now this was initially popular with voters as it didn't cost them anything just their employers. Except that this in turn reduced the incentive to hire staff - see recent drop in hospitality sector.

This then means that there is less tax receipts from employment which in turn creates a bigger financial black hole meaning that there needs to be more tax rises which then slows the economy again.

To quote Churchill "trying to grow the economy by increasing taxes is like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself up by the handle".

And I wonder why he said that? 🙄

How did you extrapolate from anything that I’ve said that we’d be living in paradise now if the Tories had done it? Why the need for hyperbole?

Firstly, I never at any point said it would be easy. And secondly, we’re discussing the current Labour government and their ineffectual leadership - you can’t defend it, so decided to pivot to attacking the Tories instead?

So do I. The Tories always take over an economy where infrastructure has been invested in and people have been trained and motivated. They promise 1) tax cuts, 2) 'reduction of wastage', 3) benefits for the elderly and 4) tackling immigration. 1) they do by slashing services, spending nothing on infrastructure, and reducing personnel to such an extent that you can't get a doctors' appointment and police don't bother to investigate most crimes. 3) we can't afford but they do it anyway to win votes, 4) never happens but they lie about it every time. They get away with this because they receive hardly any scrutiny from a largely Tory press and because Conservative Central Office daily starts threads like these or on other SM.

The Labour Party have to promise not to put up taxes to have any hope of being elected. They then have the near impossible task of rebuilding the UK infrastructure in the six month period before the electorate savages them for not achieving the impossible. If they get a second term they can somewhat address this before the Tories promise to cut taxes and reduce waste etc, etc.

@bananafake

You’ll be very disappointed with the next budget I’m afraid. Putting up taxes is exactly what Reeves will do.

My life is completely unchanged. Which is to be expected given it’s been just over a year.

Yes, some are better off, but many feel little real change.

Who are the ‘some’? Can you give some examples? As I know of no one at all at any level and would be interested to know.

The Labour Party wreck the economy every single time they galn power. Historically this is true!!!! It is a fact. The Conservatives are then voted back in by a desperate nation on the brink. Labour have not and will not invest in anything - you are again selling a pipe dream and lying.

You can only invest in the infrastructure with a prosperous working nation that is growing and expanding. Otherwise you are just accumulating debt. Reeves has done the total opposite of creating growth - they have been in post for over a year already - things have gone from bad to worse.

There is no plan or policies in place to improve anything. Hence the stats on this thread. They speak for themselves. Most people are worse off.

A recession is looming - I so hope that it can be avoided but the incompetence of this current Labour government is eye watering.

Nothing could be worse than the havoc Liz Truss created in a few weeks. And Rishi Sunak was pretty hopeless. So Labour got in because there was no alternative. That's why they are all terrified of Nigel Farage. Because he is an alternative.

Can’t believe you seem to be saying that after 15 months in office, following 14 years of austerity, it is labour who have caused all the problems with the NHS, welfare and immigration, and now all taxes are wasted, education is all of a sudden not good enough for the middle class, but Farage will come in and save the day. Have you any idea how ridiculous this sounds?

The Tories inherited national debt to gdp of around 65%, by 2020, pre Covid, that increased to 86%, at the same time, they underfunded every single public service and hiked council taxes.

We now have no NHS dentistry, roads crumbling, prisons at max capacity.... those 3 things alone would cost around 40 billion to put right, even before addressing the longer term funding problems.

Yet in heir final years, instead of trying to fix any of these, they cut NI, which did nothing for growth or anything else, thats costing Reeves £10bn pa to fund.

Whatever your historical figures, the Tories wrecked the country... we all remember Brexit, Truss.. the double standards over Covid, the huge waste of Eat out.... PPE scandals, HS2... thats 29bn down the drain..... then they shifted young people off the dole onto disability benefits to make the figures look better..... whilst slashing MH spending.
Oh and then according to Jeremy Hunt himself, failed to fund Maternity services correctly

So pls don't tell us the Tories save the day.....

for the pp who mentioned migration - Labour have taken net migration of 1.1m per year under Sunak, to 441k pa, thats the difference Labour have made.

I will wait for the "that's down to the tories" rubbish .... Tories had years to alter immigration.

It’s because basic maths is a challenge for some people.. they see a small decimal point and don’t understand what it actually means!

So your big "gotcha" is that I don't like Labour? Wow, we established that about 6 months ago.
I direct you to a post last night where I clearly explained for the hard of understanding.

Still waiting to hear what my "true colours" are, especially as there are lots on this thread who also hate Labour. Are they showing their true colours too?

What’s the issue with Labour saying we should leave the ECHR?" Because many Labour supporters on here clutched their pearls when Farage said it, yet have remained completely silent now some Labour MPs are openly saying it.
There was outrage that Farage would even think of leaving. Not a peep from them now it is coming from some Labour quarters.
The twists and turns people will make just to keep supporting Labour is mind blowing, they will spin anything and everything.

Put Farages words in the mouth of a Labour cabinet member and they would support it.

FYI my MN name is because my DD was extremely ill as a baby so continually cried and twisted. It was hell and I had severe post partum depression, considered taking my life on numerous occasions. But yeh take the piss out of it all you like.

But Labour do not have a policy of leaving the ECHR, nor do the Cons & as explained, so much HR is written into domestic law and many other treaties, even Farage is rowing back on deporting women and children.... nor can he come up with how he would build/fund detention centres or where

Your Whataboutery is coming thick and fast isn't it?

Time is just giving them more opportunity to cock up.

Every time they announce a plan to fill a ‘black hole’ they make it worse when everyone tells them it’ll make it worse.

It’s like watching a child run into a wall on purpose despite telling them not to, then then complaining it’s someone else’s fault because someone else built the wall 14 years ago.

I was replying to a PP. No need for you to jump in plus several Labour members are starting to come out and say it publicly.

That comment was taken from a previous point I made re: Farage controlling the narrative for Labour.
Farage says something which you all decry and denounce and then a few months later Labour start saying it but then that's OK?
Farage lives rent free in Labour's head and obviously your head too. He is dictating the narrative at this point.

So pls don't tell us the Tories save the day.

Yep, Brexit was a huge error but it was a referendum rather than a party decision. With Labour it’s always the same authoritarian ideology and petty meaningless class politics of grievance and envy that messes up everything. Education tax, job tax, pension in the IHT, farm tax, only ‘working class’ applicants to civil service, floating limiting ‘middle class’ priority access to state schools and NHS, university quotas based on skin colour and parents background, house tax, tenant reforms …,it’s all just petty spite that damages the country and it’s always Labours highest priority.

Im 32, I’d be extremely surprised if I see another Labour Government in my life time. Good riddance.

More personal attacks, are you ok?