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Is anyone better off since Labour

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Luckymum20 · 26/08/2025 20:26

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

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Alexandra2001 · 27/08/2025 20:39

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:24

I've "failed to condemn" 🤣 wtaf? So me saying I don't agree with it isn't enough, I have to stand on a box in the middle of my village and publicy condem him? Are you on drugs?

Ha ha insults already! on drugs!! Can formulate an argument without personal attacks?

You support Reform, you support Farage, enough said.

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:41

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:39

"Using Taxpayers' money, when they mouth off about not having any, due to the exodus of 20 rich people, paying 60 billion in tax🥱, to pay the fking Taliban!!"

When have I ever said this?? You are just inventing things?

I'm referring more generally to the Reform agenda. I'm not sure if you have ever mentioned the flight of the rich from the UK.

Clavinova · 27/08/2025 20:42

Kdfjh4847
Brexit alone has caused food prices to go up by a third

Nonsense.
I think you have misunderstood a headline/study from 2023. The researchers claimed that Brexit may have caused food price inflation of 8% (nearly a third of the 25% rise) between December 2019 and March 2023.

BIossomtoes
Brexit is blamed because GDP has shrunk since the UK left the EU

According to figures published several weeks ago, UK GDP in Q2 2025 was 4.5% above its pre-pandemic level of Q4 2019. GDP hasn't shrunk - rather, the claim is that GDP may have grown more without Brexit. Although, by way of comparison, GDP in Germany is only up by 0.3% since Q4 2019.

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:43

Alexandra2001 · 27/08/2025 20:39

Ha ha insults already! on drugs!! Can formulate an argument without personal attacks?

You support Reform, you support Farage, enough said.

I will vote for the party most likely in my constituency to oust Labour.
Which is exactly what I've said thousands of times.
You twist that to say I support Reform and Farage.

Now how are those pesky voting pills going again.....

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:43

Alexandra2001 · 27/08/2025 20:35

Another one who deflects? or perhaps agrees with Farage?

I shouldn't really need to tell you that Labour/Starmer have said they will NOT be following suit

How is asking if Starmer has yet condemned Farage a deflection from a post about condemning Farage please?

I shouldn't need to tell you that there was much fence sitting yesterday from the No10 spokesperson wasn't there?

smallpinecone · 27/08/2025 20:43

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:35

Well you have to accept that your party didn't win then, they don't get to govern, that's literally how a democracy works!

Politely - what on earth are you talking about?

What sort of fool do you think I am that I need the concept of democracy explained to me?

My comment was explaining why it appears that Labour have nothing but contempt for those who try to fund a better education than the one provided by the state.

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:44

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:37

I'm not one, just don't agree with paying the Taliban, It is not a moral dilemma for me.

And where have I said that I do?
Please quote me directly

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:47

smallpinecone · 27/08/2025 20:43

Politely - what on earth are you talking about?

What sort of fool do you think I am that I need the concept of democracy explained to me?

My comment was explaining why it appears that Labour have nothing but contempt for those who try to fund a better education than the one provided by the state.

Edited

A bit silly to think that the Labour party is going to care more about those receiving a private education (what 7%), over those that are state educated surely?

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:48

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:29

If I was a Reform worshipper I would be more minded to morally defend the position of using the Taxpayers' money to pay the Taliban than focus on the deflection.

Are you about to explain how you can spot a Reform 'worshipper' from 30 yards using your Reformdar?

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:49

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:43

I will vote for the party most likely in my constituency to oust Labour.
Which is exactly what I've said thousands of times.
You twist that to say I support Reform and Farage.

Now how are those pesky voting pills going again.....

A bit irresponsible isn't it, if you don't support paying the Taliban?

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:49

Alexandra2001 · 27/08/2025 20:39

Ha ha insults already! on drugs!! Can formulate an argument without personal attacks?

You support Reform, you support Farage, enough said.

If the cap fits......you said I haven't condemned him when I said I didn't agree. You want it in blood now?

Do you condemn things Starmer has done eg Rivers of Blood speech? Did you publicly condemn him?

Do you not understand that Farage is deliberately provocative with what he says? It's part of the Trump playbook and no I don't support him either before you start accusing me of that. Worked well for Trump though. They purposely throw these things out. You get all het up and demand from me a public condemnation of something that hasn't, and won't, happen.

But as a Labour supporter you also need to think about what stones you throw in relation to wars etc.

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:50

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:48

Are you about to explain how you can spot a Reform 'worshipper' from 30 yards using your Reformdar?

Are you going to still vote for a party that wants to pay the Taliban using Taxpayers' money?

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:50

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:48

Are you about to explain how you can spot a Reform 'worshipper' from 30 yards using your Reformdar?

Oooo wasn't there a poster who said they could spot one in the street?

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:51

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:49

A bit irresponsible isn't it, if you don't support paying the Taliban?

Oh you are reaching now. Careful you don't fall

Pharazon · 27/08/2025 20:53

Better off. FTSE 100 up 12% YTD. Other indices even better.

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2025 20:53

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:36

And? He couldn't go to war because the decision was not his to take. Howard would also not have been privy to all the facts as he wasn't the PM.
It is like trying to blame Badenoch for PS VAT.

Howard said himself he would have taken the country to war for regime change. Nobody’s blaming him, I’m simply pointing out that it would have happened on exactly the same basis whoever was in power at the time. He admitted it, ffs, and got pilloried for his honesty.

smallpinecone · 27/08/2025 20:53

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:47

A bit silly to think that the Labour party is going to care more about those receiving a private education (what 7%), over those that are state educated surely?

So I take it you agree with me then - Labour doesn’t concern itself with those sorts of working people - who do all the things I mentioned, and worked multiple jobs - to be able to afford a better education for their children than that afforded by the state?

Having been let down by the state education system in the first place, and badly educated - they put all their efforts into making sure their children have a better education and more opportunities in life - and Labour kicks them in the teeth for their efforts.

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:54

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:49

If the cap fits......you said I haven't condemned him when I said I didn't agree. You want it in blood now?

Do you condemn things Starmer has done eg Rivers of Blood speech? Did you publicly condemn him?

Do you not understand that Farage is deliberately provocative with what he says? It's part of the Trump playbook and no I don't support him either before you start accusing me of that. Worked well for Trump though. They purposely throw these things out. You get all het up and demand from me a public condemnation of something that hasn't, and won't, happen.

But as a Labour supporter you also need to think about what stones you throw in relation to wars etc.

Eh? So what Farage said yesterday is complete bollox and actually we just have to imagine what his policies are if Reform win the next GE, doesn't bode well for economic policy does it, just making things up as they go along, although I suppose we can always refer to Brexit to see how they like to fuck the economy over!

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:55

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:54

Eh? So what Farage said yesterday is complete bollox and actually we just have to imagine what his policies are if Reform win the next GE, doesn't bode well for economic policy does it, just making things up as they go along, although I suppose we can always refer to Brexit to see how they like to fuck the economy over!

Well making things up worked for Labour didn't it?
Smash the Gangs anyone
6500 teachers

Labour supporters are the last people who can give notes on the economy!!

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:56

smallpinecone · 27/08/2025 20:53

So I take it you agree with me then - Labour doesn’t concern itself with those sorts of working people - who do all the things I mentioned, and worked multiple jobs - to be able to afford a better education for their children than that afforded by the state?

Having been let down by the state education system in the first place, and badly educated - they put all their efforts into making sure their children have a better education and more opportunities in life - and Labour kicks them in the teeth for their efforts.

No, I don't think Labour is particularly concerned with those who are in receipt of a paid for education, whatever made you think that.

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:56

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:50

Are you going to still vote for a party that wants to pay the Taliban using Taxpayers' money?

As Germany are doing you mean?

Do you not realise that it's not Farage's words you need to scrutinise, but how far the Labour government will go in response? You're looking in the wrong direction. Farage is the piper, Labour dance to his tune.

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:58

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:56

No, I don't think Labour is particularly concerned with those who are in receipt of a paid for education, whatever made you think that.

You mean children. Children who go to independent schools.
We know Labour don't care about them. Good that you admit that though what with Phillipsons remit being "all children in education".

TheNuthatch · 27/08/2025 20:59

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:56

No, I don't think Labour is particularly concerned with those who are in receipt of a paid for education, whatever made you think that.

They would be children you're referring to. Children.

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 20:59

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:51

Oh you are reaching now. Careful you don't fall

How? You have posted that you would vote for whoever ousted the Labour government, so present that includes Reform, they told us yesterday how Taxpayers' money would be used to pay the Taliban, so a vote for Reform is a vote for that policy, a bit irresponsible in my mind.

Alexandra2001 · 27/08/2025 20:59

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 20:49

If the cap fits......you said I haven't condemned him when I said I didn't agree. You want it in blood now?

Do you condemn things Starmer has done eg Rivers of Blood speech? Did you publicly condemn him?

Do you not understand that Farage is deliberately provocative with what he says? It's part of the Trump playbook and no I don't support him either before you start accusing me of that. Worked well for Trump though. They purposely throw these things out. You get all het up and demand from me a public condemnation of something that hasn't, and won't, happen.

But as a Labour supporter you also need to think about what stones you throw in relation to wars etc.

What a word salad that is !! Wars? what on earth are you talking about now?

Only person getting het up is you.

I had no idea Starmer wrote Powell's speech in 68... who knew?

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