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Is anyone better off since Labour

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Luckymum20 · 26/08/2025 20:26

I am not just talking financially but feeling optimistic about the future for children, old age.

With the £22 billion debt now pasing £50 billion.

The increase in Council tax (that they said the wouldn't do). OAPs raid on pensions and no Winter fuel relief. Changes to finance regarding care homes. Utilities up. TV licence up. Food costs up...

I know minimum wage has increased but all costs have increased by a greater amount!

In 2021 minimum wage was almost 30% lower than it is now...

So I ask. Is anyone actually feeling better off, optimistic and pleased with this Government.

Also the October budget of likely to bring more stains on the 'average working man"

YABU - change will happen. It a good thing.

YANBU - not good

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ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 27/08/2025 14:54

Allisnotlost1 · 27/08/2025 13:43

Like referring to drag queens and maths lessons you mean?

It’s not 20%, you need to brush up on your reading. It’s 1%.

Even the original author has backtracked and no longer thinks it’s an exodus - and doesn’t blame this government for what he calls a five year trend. ‘Philosophically, is around 1% of a population really a ‘mass departure’? It depends on what agenda the newspaper wants to make a story out of.’

https://www.henleyglobal.com/publications/henley-private-wealth-migration-report-2025/taxing-choice-migration-millionaires-and-meaning-exodus

No prizes for guessing your agenda.

It’s not 20%, you need to brush up on your reading. It’s 1%.

It’s a 20% reduction in millionaires using the figures you quoted?!? Is that you Rachel?

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 14:55

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 14:46

Well hold tight, yours and everybody else’s electricity bill will be rising very soon thanks to Milliband and his green initiative.

Well for some, that rise can be absorbed and if you are wealthy, perhaps you should pay more if you are responsible for greater carbon emissions!

Is this why there is an exodus of multi millionaires, are they leaving due to the expected rise in their electricity bills!

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 14:59

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 14:55

Well for some, that rise can be absorbed and if you are wealthy, perhaps you should pay more if you are responsible for greater carbon emissions!

Is this why there is an exodus of multi millionaires, are they leaving due to the expected rise in their electricity bills!

The thread is for discussing whether or not people are feeling better off under Labour - that’s everyone, not just millionaires. As with everything, some people will be able to absorb the cost of rising bills and some won’t. Just don’t let’s pretend bills aren’t rising under Labour?

SecretNameforMN · 27/08/2025 15:03

JollyUmberDeer · 26/08/2025 21:36

Of course they are.

Two Tier’s lawyer friends are raking it in from his immigration policies. Those benefitting from corrupt green subsidies. And Angela Rayner. She’s buying houses all over the place. What a socialist.

I despise this govt and Rayner in particular but from what I have read she isn't buying up multiple properties. She has only bought one house.

Can anyone correct me on that?

Theolittle · 27/08/2025 15:04

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 14:46

Well hold tight, yours and everybody else’s electricity bill will be rising very soon thanks to Milliband and his green initiative.

I think it’s easy to believe the rhetoric that it’s green policies that raise prices but it’s much more complex. Yes the green bit has a small impact but by far the biggest impact is that all energy companies charge the cost of the highest costing energy which is gas. I haven’t put that very well so here’s a link

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/20/why-the-uks-electricity-costs-are-so-high-and-what-can-be-done-about-it

Why the UK’s electricity costs are so high – and what can be done about it

From nationalising gas plants to boosting renewables, how soaring prices could be tackled

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/20/why-the-uks-electricity-costs-are-so-high-and-what-can-be-done-about-it

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 15:05

SecretNameforMN · 27/08/2025 15:03

I despise this govt and Rayner in particular but from what I have read she isn't buying up multiple properties. She has only bought one house.

Can anyone correct me on that?

Thats right, she only bought one recently but she now has three.

MikeRafone · 27/08/2025 15:07

SecretNameforMN · 27/08/2025 15:03

I despise this govt and Rayner in particular but from what I have read she isn't buying up multiple properties. She has only bought one house.

Can anyone correct me on that?

Raynor has purchased a second property with a mortgage to be nearer London, that was the reason given ad its at Hove I believe which is a big London commuter area

Raynor has use of a grace and favour property as well, but doesn't own that third property she uses

MikeRafone · 27/08/2025 15:09

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 15:05

Thats right, she only bought one recently but she now has three.

no, she doesn't own three properties - one is a grace and favour the other two are her own properties

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 15:16

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 14:59

The thread is for discussing whether or not people are feeling better off under Labour - that’s everyone, not just millionaires. As with everything, some people will be able to absorb the cost of rising bills and some won’t. Just don’t let’s pretend bills aren’t rising under Labour?

I referred to the wealthy in my first paragraph, not the millionaires. I queried whether this was a factor in the exodus of the multi-millionaires.

Yes, bills are rising, the tariff needs to be progressive if the government is to help those that are most in need. However, lets be honest, that's not 'everyone' and it is disingenuous to suggest that 'everyone' wants UK wealth inequality, levels of which were last seen in Victorian times, to be addressed, they don't and they didn't vote for the Labour party for that very reason!

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 15:23

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 15:16

I referred to the wealthy in my first paragraph, not the millionaires. I queried whether this was a factor in the exodus of the multi-millionaires.

Yes, bills are rising, the tariff needs to be progressive if the government is to help those that are most in need. However, lets be honest, that's not 'everyone' and it is disingenuous to suggest that 'everyone' wants UK wealth inequality, levels of which were last seen in Victorian times, to be addressed, they don't and they didn't vote for the Labour party for that very reason!

Honestly I can’t follow the tangents you are going off on or tenuous points you are making so - have a nice afternoon.

Julen7 · 27/08/2025 15:24

MikeRafone · 27/08/2025 15:07

Raynor has purchased a second property with a mortgage to be nearer London, that was the reason given ad its at Hove I believe which is a big London commuter area

Raynor has use of a grace and favour property as well, but doesn't own that third property she uses

Ok sorry I was wrong about her not owning the third.

BeavisMcTavish · 27/08/2025 15:38

Kdfjh4847 · 27/08/2025 06:42

Of course there are going to be big losses in hospitality. Brexit alone has caused food prices to go up by a third. That is a direct impact on the disposal income of everybody and also hospitality prices which have gone up to accommodate it and consumers can’t afford or justify. You’d have to be as dim as those that voted for Brexit and believed the lies to not see it coming.

There is also the issue that the quality of food and drink eating out is pretty poor- generic, chain and pre frozen. I think the whole industry needs to change. I can produce better at home .Well cooked, interesting food from independent premises as a treat is what I’d be willing to spend money on but there are very few places selling this.

brilliant - say you don’t understand without saying it…

this is SINCE APRIL.. brexit has nearly zero impact.

ScholesPanda · 27/08/2025 15:44

To answer the OP, I am better off and I am more optimistic about the future. I've had a couple of reasonable pay rises and my investments are performing better.

I think food inflation is inevitable- countries like China and India are getting richer and buying more meat etc., this has been predicted for years. At the same time, hot summers are badly affecting harvests in Southern Europe.

I think sensible building blocks are being laid which will enable future improvements.

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread, due to the obvious astroturfing from the Ayn Rand fan constantly responding to and agreeing with their own drivel.

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 15:52

BeavisMcTavish · 27/08/2025 15:38

brilliant - say you don’t understand without saying it…

this is SINCE APRIL.. brexit has nearly zero impact.

The truth is the damage done by Brexit is not done and will never be done, we have pretty much all been made worse off by it and divided by it. A good example of this, is the housing crisis not helped by the enduring impact of Brexit on the cost of Raw materials, trade and supply chains, labour shortages, what impact do you think that has on the supply of homes?

SadTimesInFife · 27/08/2025 16:02

Here's a wild idea...stop all foreign aid (tax payer funded).
Let people donate to charities instead.

Allisnotlost1 · 27/08/2025 16:22

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 27/08/2025 14:54

It’s not 20%, you need to brush up on your reading. It’s 1%.

It’s a 20% reduction in millionaires using the figures you quoted?!? Is that you Rachel?

As a proportion of the population - that means both the number of ‘millionaires’ leaving and the growing population who are not millionaires.

The 1% is cited by the person who wrote the ‘exodus’ article in the first place.

Keep up.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 27/08/2025 16:34

Allisnotlost1 · 27/08/2025 16:22

As a proportion of the population - that means both the number of ‘millionaires’ leaving and the growing population who are not millionaires.

The 1% is cited by the person who wrote the ‘exodus’ article in the first place.

Keep up.

This is going over your head isn’t it. It’s fine, one of my daughters is like this with maths as well. Best thing is to give a concrete example:

Say you have 100 ducks and 5 of them
are red and the rest are green. If one red duck leaves the pond because you’re taxing his duckling’s education and his nest or whatever, then that’s a 1% reduction in ducks but a 20% reduction in red ducks. Make sense?

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2025 16:57

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 14:11

Well Labour polling lowest since the election so I'm guessing majority don't feel better off
A rise in "other" 8

Good to see the number inclined to vote Reform has gone down.

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 17:01

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2025 16:57

Good to see the number inclined to vote Reform has gone down.

They are still the party most people would vote for whilst Labour are now only 3% ahead of Tories. But I admire your attempt to spin it, it must get extremely tiring having to do that with every announcement though.

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2025 17:02

twistyizzy · 27/08/2025 17:01

They are still the party most people would vote for whilst Labour are now only 3% ahead of Tories. But I admire your attempt to spin it, it must get extremely tiring having to do that with every announcement though.

Edited

A bit like you and VAT on school fees then?

SecretNameforMN · 27/08/2025 17:12

MikeRafone · 27/08/2025 15:07

Raynor has purchased a second property with a mortgage to be nearer London, that was the reason given ad its at Hove I believe which is a big London commuter area

Raynor has use of a grace and favour property as well, but doesn't own that third property she uses

Exactly, she owns only two.

Most MPs own two homes. Some own 5, 10, 20 properties so it makes no sense to pick on her for this particular subject.

I despise her for posing for that photo taking the knee and for failing to defend women's rights.

BeavisMcTavish · 27/08/2025 17:35

Goldenbear · 27/08/2025 15:52

The truth is the damage done by Brexit is not done and will never be done, we have pretty much all been made worse off by it and divided by it. A good example of this, is the housing crisis not helped by the enduring impact of Brexit on the cost of Raw materials, trade and supply chains, labour shortages, what impact do you think that has on the supply of homes?

Yet hospitality was thoroughly stable until…… the new budget, when all businesses started cutting back.

brexit was a rounding error vs this shit show.

BeavisMcTavish · 27/08/2025 17:37

We’re months away from needing IMF style bail outs.. or a fundamental shift in our ‘fiscal rules’.. we’re heading for a lost decade or worse now…and not the Tory blip as it will look when we look back

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 27/08/2025 18:02

BIossomtoes · 27/08/2025 17:02

A bit like you and VAT on school fees then?

When I read comments like this, taking pleasure that some children have been forced out of their schools it really just reinforces why Labour have to go. I know they have committed the heinous crime of having net tax payer parents, but they are still children…I think you need to bear that in mind.

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