To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

[Whatafustercluck]

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

Agreed. Funny how, when you ask them, they say: 'I would, but I haven't got the room'.

Nah, course you haven't!

I don't go to this kind of event - they can too easily turn violent. There's always a contingent who are there primarily for a fight.

@Letstheriveranswer I thought it might be SWP.

A bit like those who bang on about homeless veterans and families, yet never offer them a room, isn’t it? 😉

Now you mention it, I've certainly heard lots of people suggesting we put our homeless up in hotels like The Brittania, so you're definitely onto something here...

Homeless people do get put up in hotels though, and also a lot of homeless people refuse accommodation because they are accustomed to the street life, so it’s not an easy fix like many social issues.

The asylum seeker crisis has been calculated this way because it benefits certain politicians interests, for a start Farage instigated Brexit knowing he wouldn’t be voted in but forced David Cameron’s hand, then did a runner so he couldn’t be blamed when it went tits up. He fully backed Boris Johnson’s Brexit though, and actively stood down his own candidates in the Brexit party so as to avoid splitting the vote and thus ensuring Boris won.

When Britain officially left the EU in 2020, this is when this crisis took off, and it gives old Nige a convenient scapegoat to stoke more division and fear after the distrust of Covid. The hotel owners are all Tory donors and they have made millions on the hotel contracts because the Tories made a conscious choice to stop processing claims. Nobody else wants to stay at Britannia hotels, they’re absolute shit holes and they can’t ordinarily fill their rooms so this crisis was a money spinner.

Nigel Farage conveniently pops back up out of the woodwork at the 2024 election after Covid, when he knows that people have already lost trust in authorities and are more readily willing to believe misinformation because they’d already been primed. It was the perfect storm for him to claim to be Britain’s saviour and the only one they can trust. He can also claim no responsibility for Brexit because he wasn’t elected, so everyone still trusts him

He is so transparent. He took the rights away that the EU afforded us, now he’s looking to strip away more rights telling us it’s the only way to save the country. Before we know it, all of our protections will be gone and they’ll come for us. Creeping normality.

I suggested that too!

So am I. I’m very grateful to those people who are going to stand up for the majority of us.

Ooh I hope these anti fa are better than the Australian anti fa who got so scared when real fascists turned up they attacked some women instead and tried to pretend the fascists weren’t there.

Hell of a lot of "intolerance of bigotry is bigotry" in this thread, and it's just as risible as it has always been.

Arrogant and ignorant are the buzzwords of farage's lot tbh

No-sorry I think it's all window dressing and marches are pretty pointless.
Polarising citizens in this way just enables the ruling class-politicians-to keep our eyes on each other, and not on them. Tommy Robinson is an arse. Reform and Farage couldn't run a raffle and don't stand an actual snowflake in Hell's chance of winning the next election.
Getting citizens out on the streets protesting against each other is the real danger to society.

I’m happy to oppose anti-immigration and anti-asylum seeker rhetoric - like I’ve just done there, now.

But I’m not a marcher or protestor for any cause. Least of all anything with, or allied to anything with, ‘anti-fascist’ or ‘anti-Nazi’ in its name. That’s just the far left doing what Tommy Robinson does - street aggression and intimidation - but in pursuit of different politics.

I don’t believe the far left gives a shiny shit about asylum seekers or anyone else, unless they happen to be useful to its political ambitions. It’s all loathsome posturing.

The people who genuinely make the difference are ordinary voters.

Having seen my union at some of these protests with people screaming at women that they are fascists/nazis for being concerned/scared that girls of 12 and 14 in their area are being r*ped and strangled, followed and all manner of sexual comments made to the extent their lives have changed - I've cancelled my membership. It's morally reprehensible and I won't support it. They might want to consider that the israeli flag is the one usually on the side they are screaming nazi 'at', along with the english/ british ones.

I've watched hours of footage from this summer and the left/ communist side seem to be more aggressive and get away with far more. I'd expect the same on 13/9.

My teaching union are running free buses to it.

I would prefer they spend their time and resources on sorting out teachers workload and stress tbh

You’re repeating arguments long used to justify racism and xenophobia, whether you intend to or not.

Immigration is not a plot. Cultural change is not destruction. And multiculturalism is not a punishment — it’s a recognition of reality in a connected, mobile, post-imperial world.

If Britain is to thrive, it must stop defining itself by who it excludes and start embracing the complexity of what it already is.

Good for you Op. There were doubles plenty of 1930s Germans who thought that nice Mr Hitler was going to make their lives better. People on here supporting Farage and Robinson are loathsome.

Most people on here are not supporting Farage and Robinson, they are just not supporting behaving in a similar way.

As usual the lazy thinking is that to be against something you have to support the polar opposite. I'm so sick of it and it's the reason the left have driven reasonable, kind positive and welcoming people like me away. I am now politically homeless.

Yes, this is so true. Someone upthread was blithering on about Cable street - the "anti facists" fantasise that they are fighting that again but actually they are now the facists (and as now it was the working classes who were on the right side and the posh were on Moseleys side (he was upper class). Leftists are often anti semitic, racist (they think all brown people are the same and need their help) and sexist (see the Trans debacle) too.

No I won't be going. I don't agree with Robinson but I am against illegal immigration so I'll support Reform

@augustusglupe @Dappy777

You’ve twisted the meaning of fascism.

Fascism isn’t simply “things I don’t like.” It has a clear definition: authoritarian nationalism that thrives on scapegoating minorities and suppressing dissent. That fits Tommy Robinson’s politics much more than it fits people on the left who challenge racism.

The idea that “no one voted for immigration” is false. Immigration laws and policies have always been made by elected governments, debated in Parliament, and shaped by public votes.

Britain has a long multicultural history — from Huguenot refugees to Caribbean workers invited to rebuild after WWII — and it has enriched the country, not “destroyed identity.”

Saying multiculturalism was “imposed” is a conspiracy theory that strips immigrants of humanity and blames them for problems they didn’t cause. That’s scapegoating, which is the very essence of fascist thinking.

And defending Tommy Robinson while calling the left “dictatorial” is upside down. Robinson has a long record of stirring up hatred against Muslims — that’s documented fact, not opinion.

Pretending that opposing racism is more dangerous than encouraging it is what really fuels intolerance.

Shame on you and your very small brains, but even smaller heart. Whoever dragged you up has made this world a much bleaker place.

@Unitedwestand25 Protecting children is absolutely vital—but blaming ‘illegal immigration’ for child abuse is alarmist and misleading.

The vast majority of child sexual abuse is committed by individuals known to the victims—often family members—not strangers or migrants. According to the NSPCC, over one-third of police‑recorded sexual offences are against children, and nearly all contact abuse is by someone the child knows.

Even when it comes to group-based grooming gangs, the situation is nuanced. Baroness Casey’s landmark 2025 review revealed that while some local data (from Greater Manchester, West and South Yorkshire) show a disproportionate number of Asian men involved, overall ethnicity and nationality data are missing in two-thirds of cases.

Moreover, national statistics show that child sex offenders are overwhelmingly white; in cases where ethnicity was recorded (69%), 90% of offenders were white, while only 5% were Asian, 2% Black, and the remainder mixed or other.

Also, most abuse that affects children today happens in family or domestic settings—not in large-scale migrant-related crimes. Experts warn that focusing too much on historic grooming scandals—often driven by political pressures—risks diverting resources from identifying and protecting children at risk now.

If you truly want to protect vulnerable children, the focus should be on supporting social services, reforming child protection, and investing in early detection—not using fear of ‘illegal immigration’ as a catch-all threat. You silly little sausage. Go get educated before spouting all this obscene nonsense from your teeny tiny mind.

It is not illegal to seek asylum which is what these people are doing. Reform have deliberately used the term ‘’illegal immigrant’’ to confuse the issue and justify the dehumanisation of these minority groups.

It is not illegal to enter the country via the channel, no matter what they tell you. You have to be on British soil to claim asylum, and they cannot get a flight because they would need a tourism visa which would make them ineligible to apply for asylum. ‘’Illegal immigrants’’ are those who overstay their visas, usually student visas, or those who enter the country and don’t present themselves to the home office.

@Menopausalsourpuss @HolidayInCambodia25

Let’s be clear: fascism isn’t defined by who shouts the loudest at a protest. Fascism is about authoritarian nationalism, scapegoating minorities, and suppressing dissent. That’s why people call out Tommy Robinson and his supporters — because their rhetoric matches that definition.

Using crimes against children to smear whole communities is scapegoating, not safeguarding. Most child sexual abuse in the UK is committed by British men, usually within families, not by strangers or migrants (NSPCC/Home Office data). Pretending otherwise doesn’t protect victims — it distracts from the real risks.

As for Cable Street, history isn’t on your side. It was working-class Jewish and Irish communities who fought the fascists, not who “stood with them.” That’s a matter of record, not opinion. The idea that today’s far-right are the “real working class” is just a rewrite to make extremism sound respectable.

And on your scattergun attacks about antisemitism, racism, and sexism: no movement is immune to prejudice, but the far-right has a consistent pattern of promoting all three. Waving a flag doesn’t change that.

If you want to protect women and girls, look at underfunded policing, court delays, and cuts to domestic violence services. That’s where the real solutions are — not in blaming migrants or calling anti-fascists the “new fascists.”

Oh dear @amoobaa I have hit a raw nerve there. Just because you (and other uneducated far leftists) label people "far right" it doesn't mean they are. Not sure what you're blithering about Cable st means but I have seen many Jewish women on here saying its the far left that have intimated them with their "Palestine" marches. And you need to educate yourself on "per capita" - as you seem not to have heard of it it relates to the PROPENSITY of different subsets, in this case relating to behaviour of groups. So obviously in a majority white country white men would commit more of any crime but some groups commit sex crimes many more times in relation to their number (eg men from Afghanistan and Eritrea are an example probably because of their culture not their race). The best way of explaining is eg if there was a society with 95% women, they could commit more overall crimes but men would still commit more per capita. Hope that helps.

The question is, what is fascism in Britain today? Our family members fought and millions died in the fight against Hitler's Nazis.

Are you ashamed to be British? Do you pay taxes? Only those who are on UC and don't pay tax think ''the more the merrier'' when it comes to people we have no knowledge of, who throw their passports in the channel and come here illegally. Don't you know the danger in that?

Look at it from another point. The people smugglers have women and children on the boats for insurance. They are probably slaves. They need them to make sure they are picked up by the coastguard and brought ashore.

The children should be taken into care and the parents imprisoned for endangering the life of a minor child. In fact, the whole boatload should be incarcerated in jail because they are all guilty of endangering the life of a minor child, yet alone endangering the life of the woman who they dragged on with them.

Genuine asylum seekers have a legal route to the UK, which is well known.

Why would anyone think that the love of country is fascism? Fascism was one man determined to execute anyone who wasn't pure Aryan race, to eliminate anyone who did not think as he did. Is that what you think British people are doing? How can we have such a mix of people of all colours and creeds in Britain if we were fascists? It doesn't make sense, yet there are people who are persuasive. It beggars belief that anyone believes them.

All the British citizens suffered throughout the war - two wars. They flew the flag - the union flag and fought and died for it. Why, because the British still have that need to protect their country, have those same people who fly the union flag and the cross of St George now called fascist?

How can that happen? How can people be gullible enough to believe some people when they stir up others against the British union flag?

What made Britain stand alone in the battle and blitz of London and other big cities? What was it that drove all the British people to fight to the death for freedom from being taken over by Hitler? If Hitler had defeated us, he would have commanded the whole of the - then - British Empire. Once Hitler had taken control of Europe the British Empire countries send their military might to ensure that Hitler would not lead them.