To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

[Whatafustercluck]

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

Where did you seek asylum from via a legal route?

Try travelling to France or the EU. You will then see there is something inherently wrong and extremely conccerning with men of fighting age - who do not speak English or have any wish to assimilate into British culture - getting on boats to leave there for here 'in search of refuge'.
There is nothing that requires escaping France. The food? The weather? The freedom of religion and expression?
Please explain

Ah, so because you popped over to France last month without dodging bullets, nobody else fleeing war should need asylum? That’s the level of logic we’re dealing with? France not being a warzone doesn’t magically make it a safe country for everyone — especially when people already have family, community, or obligations here. Refugees can’t “just apply” for a non-existent visa to flee Sudan or Syria.

Equating your weekend in Paris with someone running for their life is not only idiotic, it’s cruel. You’re comparing your privilege to their desperation and pretending it proves a point. All it proves is that you don’t understand asylum law, international agreements, or basic humanity, darling

I am a little more industrious than that. I qualified as a doctor and got a job with the NHS which provided a visa. I did though need clearance and prive enough funds to afford to leave if the job didnt work out. I had, and still have, no recourse to public funds. The perfect Immigrant

If your house is on fire and you make it to your neighbours, you are safe. If their food isn't to you liking or their daughter's not to your taste, it doesn't mean you can keep house jumping down the street pleading that you are escaping a fire until you find what is best for you.

Refuge is short term assistance until you can return. Not a new life on someone's money forever. That will lead to societal collapse. As it has in these people's homelands.

Apart from your attitude.

What?

Yeah, obviously your analogy is a pile of shit. When your house burns down here, you’ve got insurance, bank accounts, family, friends, GoFundMe pages, even sympathy from strangers. People rally around you. When your country burns down, you’ve got nothing — no safety net, no legal visa route (unless you’re white and Ukrainian), and certainly no pity. Try fleeing Sudan, where there is no legal route into the UK, and tell me again how easy it is to just “apply.” Pretending asylum seekers are shopping around for a better kitchen is grotesque minimisation. Losing a house isn’t the same as losing your homeland, your family, and every shred of security. One is tragic; the other is catastrophic — and you erase that difference because it doesn’t fit your narrative

I agree...this analogy is an intelligent one.

You got daughters?

It really isn't- it's shallow as hell

That's your opinion

And I gave plenty of examples as to why it's shallow. And could easily give more.

Each to his own, I suppose.

Good for you 😆

Thats what a discussion is, simple Simon.

Well your responses to other people's opinions in so called 'discussions', such as 'shallow as hell' and 'a pile of shit', are your very intelligent and analytical conclusions I presume !?

No women and children coming? Are you in denial as well, or are you not referring to the illegal boat migrants, among whom are some women and children. How do you know those women and children are not coerced into crossing the channel as insurance? Perhaps they are slaves, used by the slave traffickers?

I don't know if Afghan women are coming by boat, but if they are, they are coming by an illegal route. I applaud their efforts to escape the Taliban, but they can ask for asylum in many countries between UK and Afghanistan, as can anyone, and a genuine refugee from Afghanistan would do that, rather than make a perilous journey to the coast of France. It makes no sense, and neither do the other migrants. Those who can prove they are in danger can come by other routes.

All the claptrap about 'poor things they are persecuted and desperate' is so much who shot John, because if they were genuine asylum seekers they would apply in the first safe country that they reach.

We should all be asking why they are crossing the channel when there are alternatives, not arguing the toss about whether they are entitled.

THINK FOR A MOMENT: work out how many hours you have to work to supply aid to these unknown men who cross illegally. Perhaps if we looked at it that way, we might band together and make the government do more about stopping them. Mothers have their own children to work for, not fit and able men who want to slum off taxpayers because they think Britain is wealthy.

It is YOUR PURSE STRINGS they are loosening. How many hours do you have to work to pay school dinners? How many hours to get the kids ready for going back to school? How many hours to pay for school fares? How many hours you earn to pay for the weekly shopping?

No, that’s not what conclusions are. Those were observations. A conclusion is what you reach at the end of a discussion, you know, after weighing points and evidence? But nice try.

Very strong are your 'observations' ..reflecting a level of such rational and critical thinking in such discussions. Yes, I can see what you mean....😄

You’ve not read the full thread, haven’t been part of the discussion, and contributed nothing—just rocked up at the last minute to drop some feeble claptrap at me.

It’s giving “lone, lost flagshagger vaguely crayoning a red cross onto a long-faded mini-roundabout” energy. Too little, too late, and aeemingly quite bemused and angry at the people actually having the real conversation.

Enjoy your Tommy Robinson festival, try not to lamp anyone.

Oh you have me completely sussed!

Goodness, well that moved on from 'there are no women and children'...

It's appalling that these people are making decent, hard-working people like you feel unsafe in the UK @MixedBananas . I'm so sorry.

I fucking hate these racist shits with a vengeance.

awkwardasfuck

You don't need to vent your spleen by being particularly nasty to me. Your post is insulting, and hurtful. I answered your post in good faith. Your post is demeaning to you, not to me.

You show yourself up as a spiteful person. How am I supposed to know you are congenitally nasty? Am I supposed to be a mind reader? Am I supposed to know you are sarcastic in your posts. I shall steer very clear of you from now on.

To tell me now that your post was sarcastic in such a vile way, then all I can say is that I am not surprised you are unhappy with your status.

Next time you are sarcastic, if you don't want people to take you literally, you have to say you are being sarky. Then you won't get innocent and well meaning folks like me giving you comfort when you are far from needing it.