To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

[Whatafustercluck]

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

You can trawl through the net - a network of differing views - and always find something to back up what you think about anything.

I could do the same and look for evidence to back up my opinions. Sometimes I do trawl, and no doubt like you I would find all sorts of comments to back up my opinion.

I watch parliamentary debates and the current news and form my own. Did you watch the home secretary giving a speech today?

We know who the Ukrainian refugees are. They are well documented, and able to be accommodated in private houses. They are also monitored and checked.

The so called asylum seekers are an unknown 'quantity'. They come with absolutely no identification. They refuse to say who they are and where they come from. It is impossible for the authorities to know enough about them to feel safe to do the same for these channel crossers as for the Ukrainian women and children who make up the bulk of the Ukrainian refugees.

It would be the height of folly to put unknown migrants with families. The risk is too great.

Having said that, there should be some consultation with the MCB about finding accommodation for those migrants whose faith obliges them to pray at a mosque each week. Those at least are known to the imam who can help them.

You can always find a link on the internet to someone who agrees with you. Finding someone to back you up is not the same as finding the truth. Nor should anyone try to influence others by calling them liars, and inciting hatred by using the word fascism.

I get my info from the mouths of people in a position to know what they are talking about and exact my opinion on that.

I wouldn't agree with that.

It was a secular conflict about boundaries but fought along religious lines.

Did you watch the Home Secretary in Westminster today?

@IneedAniffler "He sets the cats among the pigeons, like when he suggested the Stockport killer was a Muslim migrant."

(Reference Nigel Farage)

He said no such thing,

Social media posts alleged that the attacker was a 17-year-old asylum seeker who had recently arrived in the country by boat, igniting a divisive narrative that fueled anger and unrest nationwide.
Among the accounts to peddle such claims was influencer Andrew Tate, who claimed the attacker was an “illegal migrant” and urged people to “wake up”.

Please do not spread misinformation.

Why do people say "I need a Niffler"?
Fans often express this sentiment after watching Fantastic Beasts, as the creature's antics and obsession with shiny objects can be very entertaining and endearing.

It reflects a longing for such a unique, somewhat mischievous, and helpful pet to have in one's life.

The line "I need a Niffler" is a common, relatable statement among fans, showcasing their desire to own this fascinating magical beast.

You have to stop aiming your insults at me personally. Just because this is an anonymous site does not make it right for you to give others a false opinion of me.

I want posters to know that you are unknown to me and me to you. That you are pretending you know me and your insults and those of your friends are true. They are not. I have not posted about any political party, or given information about my politics.

You have declared hatred for a political party - reform - and that hatred is spilling over into describing the political leanings of other posters as an insult to them. I would not normally be insulted, but please do not attribute to me an allegiance to a party just because you hate that party and I disagree with your views.

Are you replacing the word 'fascist' with 'reform'? Why would you do that? What the Home Secretary said today in parliament is what I have been saying on this thread, only before she said it.

Actually, you can do it for free just by googling the username.

@mrshoho
In 2010, Caitlin Moran wrote that British Prime Minister David Cameron resembled "a slightly camp gammon robot" and "a C3PO made of ham" in her 13 March column in The Times, later collected in her 2012 Orninthology Moranthology

@IneedAniffler
You have been misinformed ;

From BBC Verify ;

31 March 2025
Sir Keir Starmer has highlighted his government efforts to tackle illegal immigration, saying: "We've returned more than 24,000 people who have no right to be here."
He was speaking at an international summit in London aimed at tackling people-smuggling gangs.
The Home Office has also posted a video on X, showing people being escorted onto planes by immigration enforcement officials, with the words: "we have removed more than 24,000 people".
But the claim is misleading. The government's latest figures show that only 6,339 of these were "enforced returns"., external The majority were "voluntary returns" - and a significant number of these happen without the government's direct involvement or even knowledge.
The Home Office says all returns outcomes are the result of collective efforts by the department - we asked it for a full breakdown of its latest figures which it has not provided

Yes, you can find anyone on the internet to agree with you, it’s called confirmation bias. That’s why scrutiny of your sources is so important, asking who is telling you what, why are they telling you it? what are their credentials? Can they be trusted? What are they trying to gain by telling you this?

People not doing that is exactly why people like Nigel Farage is such a successful manipulator, he’s a con man and a grifter who plays on people’s prejudices and fears for his own ends. Telling you not to trust experts because education is indoctrination, telling you to give up your own human rights to save you from immigrants taking over, and people are cheering for it.

Sorry, skipping back to earlier in the thread. I mention a Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson Free Speech But Not Really rally above.

For those who don't have time to watch Lauren Southern's video about it (~ 23 mins), I've transcribed the second half or so. Lauren Southern and Lucy Brown were Yaxley-Lennon's staffers who made the event happen.

Lucy Brown
@lucymarionbrown
For those who weren’t aware of some of our shared history,
@Lauren_Southern
put a video out a year ago explaining what our team used to get upto with #TommyRobinson in UK free speech movement.

Make no mistake - it was stupid, unethical, childish and at times just downright dumb. But I feel like it’s worth posting here to enshrine it on the timeline.

https://x.com/lucymarionbrown/status/1806122119329120436?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

1:27 am · 27 Jun 2024
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VIDEO TRANSCRIPT
[11:09 mins]
Tommy actually did a public announcement sayuing we're going to have Ali Dawah, one of Tommy's arch nemeses come and speak on stage. Did this announcement on Facebook. And he told Lucy invite Ali Dawah, make a poster for him, bring him to the event

[screenshot of Lucy Brown's post:]
CONFIRMED: @AliDawah will be speaking tomorrow at Day for Freedom]

[video]
voice: Will Ali, Ali Dawah be speaking?
Tommy: Yes Ali Dawah will be speaking. He's our suprise Idiot of the Day guest.

[...]

[14:08 mins]
The Free Speech Event, that's supposed to be for conservatives you know supporting the free marketplace of ideas, meanwhile all let's make fun of antifa for needing to resort to violence, that event resulted in right-wingers beating up Muslims for wanting to speak freely.

Everyone becomes a hypocrite, hey?

But uh that actually wasn't the... that was a terrible, terrible part of that event, horrible part of that event, but that actually wasn't one of the worst things that, that happened.

After Ali Dawah got beat up and dragged out of the event, um,

a lot of people publicly wanted an explanation. "Why did Ali Dawah show up, Tommy, why did he think he was going to get this, this free area to speak his horrendous ideas in front of a crowd?" and Tommy publicly said:

[video with crossttalk]
Ali Dawah: "[unintelligible] my freedom invited me to this speech where I was invited today, what happened today, and if it doesn't, you know what that means"
Another person: "Well, you're on the menu."

[separate video of Tommy]
Tommy: It clearly said Ali Dawah is not invited to speak. Three posts saying he's categorically not invited to speak. Now those posts were removed from my Facebook. I didn't remove them. An admin removed them. Why, I dunno, but they were removed."

Just completely lied. Completely lied. I don't even dislike Tommy. I just dislike the fact that he did this stuff.

[video]
Man: And this is where I absolutely have to call out Tommy Robinson for posting completely fake news to his Facebook profile. In a video Tommy Robinson posted the other day it says in the beginning 'Mohammed Hijab assaults police'. The description of the video says 'Muslim MMA fighter turns up to provoke trouble at the day of freedom and his film crew live-stream him hitting a police officer? #owngoal'"
That is completely disingenuous.

He came out and publicly said "I would never invite Ali Dawah. Never in a million years. I would never invite that moron to come speak at my event."

[screenshot of post by Tommy Robinson:]
I want to make it categorically clear that I never invited Ali dawah to speak at our demonstration , we had to refuse some ex forces the opportunity to speak cos we simply didn't have time so I wouldn't have let that moron speak . He came with his pal intent on causing trouble

[recording with lots of crosstalk]
Tommy: Lucy you're lying Lucy, you're lying.
Lucy: What do you mean I'm lying?
George: You said to me to delete the tweet because you wanted to introduce him.
Tommy: It's lies though, it's lies!
Lucy: Go on, off you go you fucking coward.

"In fact, not only did I not invite him, he was secretly invited behind my back by Lucy Brown who is this horrible left-wing antifa spy that is trying to destroy our movement." So where've we heard this story before, am I right?

Um, and he pinned all the blame for this on Lucy. Said she did it behind his back, was secretly working against him. Uggh.

[video]
Tommy: "It makes you question how long, how long herself or others have been conspiring or working together. We'll soon see anyway won't we. Erm, yeah every.. I should have took warnings, everyone tried to warn me. Everyone warned me."

And what came of this was just horrendous. Lucy randomly just started seeing all of these tweets, all over her timeline, all over Facebook saying she was a disgusting whore, a snake, that she had betrayed the movement, how dare she. And, and just started panicking. I've talked to her about this a thousand times. But it wasn't until three days later that she found out that Tommy had also fired her from her job. She'd given up everything. She was quite a successful photographer, she had really good opportunities, she was a young beautiful girl with a whole future ahead of her and she had thrown it all away to work for Tommy because she believed in what he was doing, just to be fired out of nowhere so that Tommy could keep up public appearances that, of course I didn't invite Ali Dawah, Lucy was a secret snake that did all of this.

And he obviously to back that up he couldn't just keep her employed, that would look crazy. People would realise why are you still employing this woman who's a snake who went behind your back? So he fired her to keep up the public appearance of this lie he told.

That video of him saying he invited Ali Dawah exists, it's out there. But no-one bothered to look for it. They just completely believed once again what their idol at the front of the movement – it's Tommy Robinson how could he do any wrong – they just believed him, and took a stand against Lucy. Um.

Lucy's life was destroyed. There's there's no other way of putting it. Absolutely destroyed.

She had to go onto government assistance. She had a mass mental health collapse after all this stuff that she sacrificed her life for, everyone turned against her. Um, she had to move back in with her parents, got extremely ill, going to counselling, uh, almost killed himself. She, she did nothing wrong. She did nothing wrong.

Um, and she kept trying to tell the truth, and just say "No, like we should have let him speak, that was the plan from the beginning" and no-one believed her. They all took a stand against her.

There are absolutely no rewards for people who stick to their values in this industry. No rewards.

[video]
LBC interviewer: "And these are people that are supposedly concerned about young white girls being groomed and raped and they're
Lucy: Yeh.
LBC interviewer: speaking to you in this way.
Lucy: Yeh. As a result of you know standing up and saying "I'm not necessarily, I don't necessarily agree with this'' or you know "I'm gonna go my own way," um, I'm now, yeh, sort of living in a kind of situation where I'm I'm sort of scared for my safety.

This is something I really want to touch on because it's something I've seen repeat itself so many times, but after Lucy's massive mental health collapse, her life being destroyed by all of this – she still has stalkers to this day that threaten to kill her. She has people who yell at her in the streets over her being the traitor to Tommy Robinson. All completely false.

Of course when left-wing journalists came to her and said "We care about you, we care about your side of the story, we're not going to treat you that way", having someone say that to her, of course she'd want to go speak to them and have someone who actually wants to hear her side.

Which, perpetuates the lie.

People see her now go speak to left-wing journalists and they say, "See, we called her a snake, we said she was a snake, we called it right", when in reality she was driven to speak to them by a bunch of people on the right being horrible to her.

[video with crosstalk]
talkRadio interviewer: Would you say, would you say it's far right?
[unintelligible]
Lucy: Like him or loathe him he speaks on behalf of them. It's not about him in a way, it's about the people who he represents and there's a heck of a lot of them and they feel left behind.

Yeh, and it's like a self-confirming prophecy, self-confirming prophecy but eventually Lucy realised all the left-wingers that wanted to speak to her as well just wanted to use her for political reasons and then discard her. And she's been having a really hard time. I, I, a really hard time since all that.

A lot of these people that I kind of look back on as the casualities of this political movement I got swept up in, I still keep in touch with them, I still talk to them and ask them how they're doing every once in a while, and I, I care. A lot of people that were in my position, they're just the casualties, they're gone, but I, I really care what happened to a lot of these people. Um, so I still talk to Lucy once in a while and I spoke to her recently, especially letting her know I was going to film this.

I asked, looking back on it what what do you think of these people like Tommy that did this to you, what do you think of – obviously I had my own experiences of this – what do you think of these people that just throw you under the bus for sticking to your values?

And she wrote something that, uh, it's like a dagger to my heart when I read it, but she said:

"Personally I think we stand as a mirror to their failings, because they either gave up on their morals long ago, or never had any in the first place, and our surprise when someone with nothing to gain still stands up for what they think is right – exactly what they claim to do, to their poor audiences."

And you know when she talks about that mirror, how Lucy sticking to her values and saying "No, you know what? You may try to ruin my life but it was the right thing to say we should have Ali Dawah speak at this conference. It was the right thing. That's our true dedication to free speech. And I'm not going to lie about it."

All I can think is when, when people see that mirror that makes them look into how hypocritical they're being, all they want to do is smash that mirror. All they want to do is destroy people like Lucy who make them, who make them look at their own shortcomings.

And god, it makes me so... Urgh.
Yeh. Yeh, it's...

Had to watch it one too many times happen to far too many people that I care about.

Northern Ireland wasn’t about religion.

Not primarily, no. But a lot of murders were sectarian in origin. And the religious language very inflammatory, for example Ian Paisley calling the Pope ‘The Antichrist’.

Start listening perhaps?

I keep hearing that the 'illegal migrants' certain people are frothing about only make up 1% of overall migration.

Why can't people just get things into perspective?

Also, the press report as if it's only the U.K. experiencing undocumented immigration - when in fact, numbers here are lower than in Spain, France, Italy and Germany.

This narrative that we are somehow being 'invaded' or that 'they all want to come here' is just FALSE.

When people rant about 'why don't they stay in France if they need a safe country?' - well, the majority do! However, a proportion will inevitably try to move onwards to the U.K., presumably for language reasons, or they might know someone already here.

All countries in Western Europe are dealing with the issue of undocumented migration. It will only escalate as climate change takes hold. The only way to deal with it is to work closely with our European neighbours on a collective approach to smash the people smuggling gangs, because as long as these gangs can get people into Europe, a proportion will inevitably want to come here.

Farage's so-called policy of rounding up illegal migrants into military-style detention centres will make no difference. He will have to build these centres for a start. Countries such as Germany already process migrants in detention centres - it has made no difference and migrant numbers have escalated.

Leaving the ECHR will be as disastrous as Brexit and, like Brexit, it will achieve absolutely nothing. The process will be highly contested and drag on and on for years and years, at great expense. In any case, do you think people smugglers care about the ECHR?

People were fooled into voting Brexit to 'Take Back Control' of borders. Now everyone can see, that was a lie and BREXIT HAS FAILED. Voting for Farage's plan to exit Britain from the ECHR is another lie that will FAIL, causing far wider negative repercussions than it will solve.

What did Farage do the day after 'the people' voted Brexit? HE RESIGNED.

He will do the same again. He is only interested in whipping up division. He knows that people are easier to control when you give them someone else to blame. This is all he's about and it's a cynical tactic.

'The people' who vote for him are the very ones who have most to lose from Reform's economic agenda.

Reform voters - how do you feel about his stated plan to give tax incentives to those using private schools?

How do you feel about his plan that people will only pay stamp duty on properties above £750k?

Will any of this fund 'our NHS' etc etc? Are these policies likely to improve quality of life in your communities?

Stop chanting 'get them out' and waving your silly flags like mindless sheep and get perspective. Illegal migration is 1% of total migration. Reform and TR have you all making a pathetic spectacle of yourselves outside a few hotels. But open your eyes to what Reform are really about - because they are certainly NOT about 'working class communities.' You are just easy targets.

I don't agree with Hotel. I fo believe it's a big problem. And I'm not just talking about illegal immigration, I'm talking about all immigration needs reviewing.

What makes you all think we are Farage fans?

And yes friends of ours in France and Portugal say they are concerned aswell. How could you not be?

Miso and chips quoted only 15,000 returns. And a backlog of only 151k cases. I just can't believe those figures. Bet the cases backlog number is a lot higher than that!

Its a shame you filled your post with slurs, insults and name calling. If you rewrote it without the condescending comments it may be more effective.

'Mindless sheep'
'pathetic spectacle of yourselves '
'ranting'
'frothing'

Its a shame arguments cannot be made without that.

'Waving silly flags'..... its the flag of the country. Do you denigrate people waving the Ukrainian or Palestinian in the same manner.

How many refugees have you taken in Op?

Let me guess - zero - just like all the other loony left cronies.

Thousands upon thousands of fighting age males. Where are the wives, sisters, mothers, children? Fucking nowhere. I wonder why? What do you think Op?

Awwww Bless?

or

That's a worry?

Not only illegal entries, but all immigration? Which issues do you find with legal migrants?

The word pathetic is being kind to them. Comparing them to sheep is probably an insult to sheep, so I apologise for that. A more accurate word would be 'ugly.'

Yes it is pathetic to go about painting roundabouts or whatever. Yes they 100% demeaning the flag by their association and hijacking's of it. These people do not represent the U.K, no matter how loud they shout or how many flags they wave. Most people in the U.K. see them as a national embarrassment.

@hotelinfo "Most people in the U.K. see them as a national embarrassment."

And your evidence for that is...?