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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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MyLimeGuide · 01/09/2025 08:57

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 08:47

Guess what? I'm not here to endear myself to anyone. It's a forum, not a debutante ball.

So let me get this straight: you don’t like links, you won’t read evidence, you admit you’ve no inclination to look at sources but somehow I’m the problem for having them. That isn’t a debate position, that’s just announcing you prefer ignorance.
Nobody said you were incapable of opening a link I said you refuse to engage with information. And you’ve just confirmed that yourself in black and white.
Free speech isn’t “only up to the point” where it flatters you. If you’re going to throw opinions into a discussion, expect people to test them against facts. If you can’t handle that, maybe stick to echo chambers where “feelings over facts” is the standard.
The truth is, evidence doesn’t make me “better” it just makes me right. What makes you worse off is proudly rejecting it.

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IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 08:59

llizzie · 01/09/2025 01:26

How long did that research take you?

again, really not long. it's very easy and you should try it out sometime, but you won't because you have no interest in researching your points.

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:01

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:19

Almost everything you’ve claimed is either exaggerated or false.
Asylum seekers are not allowed to work while claims are processed — they survive on just £6.77 a day. Far from being “drawn to the black economy,” they’re banned from working. If allowed, they’d contribute £333m a year in taxes.
They don’t get housed “before British citizens.” They’re placed in temporary Home Office accommodation (often grim hotels). Strict residency rules mean migrants are less likely to get social housing than UK-born citizens.
The UK deports thousands every year — over 15,000 enforced or voluntary returns in 2023. The backlog of 151,000 cases exists because the Home Office and courts were gutted by underfunding, not because people “play the system.”
As for criminals — offenders can be deported. The only block is international law, which prevents sending people to face torture or death. That’s human rights, not weakness.
So no, failed asylum seekers aren’t living on benefits for life, and they’re not collapsing the economy. What’s collapsing the system is deliberate government neglect and profiteering, while refugees are used as scapegoats.

Are you aware of what the ‘black economy’ is? People working in the black economy are certainly not ‘allowed’ and not paying taxes.

Are you unaware of the widespread issue with Uber and delivery drivers renting out their accounts to unlicensed, unregistered workers? They know they are unlikely to get caught - the police are quite stretched atm.

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So you're not? Good.

Well yes having a look at llizzie's rant and she seems to have fallen hook line and sinker for the ultra nationalist.playbook of blaming crime and "bad economy" only on irregular migration. Whilst I agree that £6 million a day on these hotels is an obscene amount and use of hotels MUST be stopped by 2029 (as government pledge) , there are no silver bullets to growing the economy whilst "balancing the books". The benefits bill for example is also (more) obscene.

Not seen examples of her BLAMING migrants which is refreshing. I dont see everything as black and white, but rather shades of grey. There are a few decent people in Reform, but on the whole they deploy a nasty playbook by blaming migrants.

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:14

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:11

Spare me the pearl-clutching. “Kiddy fiddling” is a well-known, long-used slang term in the UK press and everyday speech — you’ll find it in tabloids, crime reports, even court transcripts. Pretending you’ve never heard it doesn’t make you virtuous, it just makes you look out of touch.
Nobody here is trivialising child sexual abuse — the term is used precisely because it’s a recognised colloquialism. If you’d rather feign outrage than engage with the point being made, that says more about your priorities than anyone else’s.
You don’t get to posture as morally superior while ignoring the substance of the discussion. Drop the theatrics and do your homework.

if you prefer the term child abuse, then I will oblige your sensitivites.

The catholic church is the poster boy for child abuse.

you're welcome

Omg - honestly. You are defending your use of the term ‘kiddy fiddling’??

Are you actually serious!! Your defence is that the ‘tabloids’ use it - maybe they did in the 1970s when many in authority turned a blind eye to child sex abuse.

Is that why you also defend the use of racism as long as it’s against white people?

Unbelievable.

ThatCyanCat · 01/09/2025 09:26

You know it'll be full of people hijacking it to make it look like the march is about other issues too.

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:30

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:14

Omg - honestly. You are defending your use of the term ‘kiddy fiddling’??

Are you actually serious!! Your defence is that the ‘tabloids’ use it - maybe they did in the 1970s when many in authority turned a blind eye to child sex abuse.

Is that why you also defend the use of racism as long as it’s against white people?

Unbelievable.

Yes, I’m serious because recognising that a colloquialism exists is not the same as endorsing child abuse, and you know it. The term is still in use today in media and common speech — pretending it vanished in the 1970s is just rewriting reality to suit your outrage.

And don’t try the cheap trick of equating that with “defending racism.” I haven’t defended racism at all. What I’ve done is point out the difference between behaviour-based insults and slurs that target people purely for existing in the “wrong” skin. That’s not approval, it’s called understanding nuance.

So yes, I am serious. The only unbelievable thing here is your determination to twist everything into a false equivalence just so you can avoid engaging with the actual point

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:33

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:42

Yes, I receive safeguarding training — which is exactly why I know the difference between professional terminology in training and colloquial language on an anonymous forum. Nobody said it was “official language,” just that it exists and is still used.
If you can’t grasp that distinction, that’s on you. Shouting “get lost” doesn’t win the argument — it just shows you already lost it.

You’ve done safeguarding training yet still think it’s appropriate to use a term like ‘kiddy fiddling’ which demeans and minimises the very serious issue of child sex abuse??

Do me a favour and ask your trainer if they think it’s fine to use that term as long as you are on an anonymous forum.

Do you really think you’re in the right here?

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:39

Hedgehogged · 01/09/2025 09:07

So you're not? Good.

Well yes having a look at llizzie's rant and she seems to have fallen hook line and sinker for the ultra nationalist.playbook of blaming crime and "bad economy" only on irregular migration. Whilst I agree that £6 million a day on these hotels is an obscene amount and use of hotels MUST be stopped by 2029 (as government pledge) , there are no silver bullets to growing the economy whilst "balancing the books". The benefits bill for example is also (more) obscene.

Not seen examples of her BLAMING migrants which is refreshing. I dont see everything as black and white, but rather shades of grey. There are a few decent people in Reform, but on the whole they deploy a nasty playbook by blaming migrants.

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God no, not in a million years. I think Reform is vile. A few well-meaning people may have become local council members etc and are trying to do the right thing, but Farage is the master of the playbook you’ve described.

He sets the cats among the pigeons, like when he suggested the Stockport killer was a Muslim migrant. He sits back, watches his followers torch hotels, and then, when it turns out the killer wasn’t a Muslim migrant, he shrugs and claims he was “just trying to help people.”

His followers commit crimes against migrants in his name, then defend him as though they acted entirely on their own, or that it's tit for tat because an immigrant has committed a crime. (These might even include the ones arrested recently with pre-existing DV convictions)

Farage preys on people like llizzie, exploiting their refusal to engage with facts. He praises them as “patriots,” makes them feel part of some great revolution, while in truth, he’ll do nothing to fix the system. He needs the boats and the hotels — they’re the fuel that keeps him relevant.

So yes, I agree the use of hotels has to stop. But screaming “mass deportations” isn’t a solution — it just riles up the wrong people and leads to more violence.

Not every Reform supporter is a violent thug, but violent thugs seem to be gravitating to Reform.

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:42

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:33

You’ve done safeguarding training yet still think it’s appropriate to use a term like ‘kiddy fiddling’ which demeans and minimises the very serious issue of child sex abuse??

Do me a favour and ask your trainer if they think it’s fine to use that term as long as you are on an anonymous forum.

Do you really think you’re in the right here?

Safeguarding training is about professional practice, not slang on anonymous forums. Nobody said “kiddy fiddling” is appropriate in training just that it’s a recognised colloquialism.
Asking a trainer about forum slang would be absurd and you know it. I can separate context from performance. You’re just posturing. Outrage isn’t an argument. You are putting a hell of a lot of energy into this!

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:43

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:30

Yes, I’m serious because recognising that a colloquialism exists is not the same as endorsing child abuse, and you know it. The term is still in use today in media and common speech — pretending it vanished in the 1970s is just rewriting reality to suit your outrage.

And don’t try the cheap trick of equating that with “defending racism.” I haven’t defended racism at all. What I’ve done is point out the difference between behaviour-based insults and slurs that target people purely for existing in the “wrong” skin. That’s not approval, it’s called understanding nuance.

So yes, I am serious. The only unbelievable thing here is your determination to twist everything into a false equivalence just so you can avoid engaging with the actual point

No, you claimed that an obviously racist term that is based entirely on the skin colour of the subject is not racist. It’s not about behaviour - nobody would use it against a brown person.

So yes, I am serious. The only unbelievable thing here is your determination to twist everything into a false equivalence just so you can avoid engaging with the actual point

I thought you might say that to try and deflect from your horrendously inappropriate use of language.

I did read the posts leading up to that and it looked like op had pointed out the obvious inequality between people being perfectly happy to call out child sex abuse in the Catholic Church but very many people in authority including police, courts and politicians have been very happy to turn a blind eye and enable the widespread and often vicious sexual abuse of vast numbers of predominantly white girls (last estimate 500,000+) by Muslim men, disproportionately of Pakistani origin.

You and another pp made some flippant comments that also didn’t engage with the substance. Correct me if I’m wrong.

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:49

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:42

Safeguarding training is about professional practice, not slang on anonymous forums. Nobody said “kiddy fiddling” is appropriate in training just that it’s a recognised colloquialism.
Asking a trainer about forum slang would be absurd and you know it. I can separate context from performance. You’re just posturing. Outrage isn’t an argument. You are putting a hell of a lot of energy into this!

Nobody said “kiddy fiddling” is appropriate in training just that it’s a recognised colloquialism.

I didn’t say that though. I asked you to check with the trainer if it’s ok for you to use that term in a forum as li g as you are anonymous.

So you leave your safeguarding practice at the office door and forget about it when you go home? It sounds like this upcoming course is essential.

You’re just posturing. Outrage isn’t an argument. You are putting a hell of a lot of energy into this!

So you wheel out the ad hominem because you know you can’t defend this.

Let us know how your course goes tomorrow - I’m off out.

SpecialPatrolGroupp · 01/09/2025 09:57

Jumpingthruhoops · 26/08/2025 23:02

Why can't those who support open borders simply take in one of the hotel residents themselves? Surely that would solve the problem overnight?

I don’t think we are on the same side of this debate, but I agree with this suggestion. Instead of giving money to hotels and large private landlords to house people awaiting their asylum claims, why not pay families to take one person, like we did with Ukraine? More money into communities, and asylum seekers will have more opportunity to integrate, learn the language, understand British values. Communities will get to know them as individual people, rather than just scare stories they hear on social media. Not housing a lot of traumatised, bored young men together could also avoid problems created by that scenario.

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 10:01

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:49

Nobody said “kiddy fiddling” is appropriate in training just that it’s a recognised colloquialism.

I didn’t say that though. I asked you to check with the trainer if it’s ok for you to use that term in a forum as li g as you are anonymous.

So you leave your safeguarding practice at the office door and forget about it when you go home? It sounds like this upcoming course is essential.

You’re just posturing. Outrage isn’t an argument. You are putting a hell of a lot of energy into this!

So you wheel out the ad hominem because you know you can’t defend this.

Let us know how your course goes tomorrow - I’m off out.

hahahaha

It's not me that's going on the course, it was llizzie that's going on the course today. You really need to look at what you're trying to respond to. You undermine your own argument by responding to incorrect information.

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 10:05

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:43

No, you claimed that an obviously racist term that is based entirely on the skin colour of the subject is not racist. It’s not about behaviour - nobody would use it against a brown person.

So yes, I am serious. The only unbelievable thing here is your determination to twist everything into a false equivalence just so you can avoid engaging with the actual point

I thought you might say that to try and deflect from your horrendously inappropriate use of language.

I did read the posts leading up to that and it looked like op had pointed out the obvious inequality between people being perfectly happy to call out child sex abuse in the Catholic Church but very many people in authority including police, courts and politicians have been very happy to turn a blind eye and enable the widespread and often vicious sexual abuse of vast numbers of predominantly white girls (last estimate 500,000+) by Muslim men, disproportionately of Pakistani origin.

You and another pp made some flippant comments that also didn’t engage with the substance. Correct me if I’m wrong.

I am correcting you because you're wrong.

I have said many times on this thread that I agree gammon is racist. Much of the discussion has been about this.

Hedgehogged · 01/09/2025 10:15

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:39

God no, not in a million years. I think Reform is vile. A few well-meaning people may have become local council members etc and are trying to do the right thing, but Farage is the master of the playbook you’ve described.

He sets the cats among the pigeons, like when he suggested the Stockport killer was a Muslim migrant. He sits back, watches his followers torch hotels, and then, when it turns out the killer wasn’t a Muslim migrant, he shrugs and claims he was “just trying to help people.”

His followers commit crimes against migrants in his name, then defend him as though they acted entirely on their own, or that it's tit for tat because an immigrant has committed a crime. (These might even include the ones arrested recently with pre-existing DV convictions)

Farage preys on people like llizzie, exploiting their refusal to engage with facts. He praises them as “patriots,” makes them feel part of some great revolution, while in truth, he’ll do nothing to fix the system. He needs the boats and the hotels — they’re the fuel that keeps him relevant.

So yes, I agree the use of hotels has to stop. But screaming “mass deportations” isn’t a solution — it just riles up the wrong people and leads to more violence.

Not every Reform supporter is a violent thug, but violent thugs seem to be gravitating to Reform.

Wow, also eloquently describes my thoughts pretty much in full!

It's a little disappointing that the dreadful riotous events of 2024 are rarely mentioned in any forum. Seems you and me are two of the few exceptions to this glaring omission. I'm naturally Labour leaning but am very disappointed that Keir has not had the courage to call out these hotel protests for what they are - intimidating and right on the cusp of boiling over to violent. On the plus side for our dear PM he did act brilliantly last year on zero tolerance and that's probably why isn't so violent. But nobody should be prevented from leaving their accommodation due to fearing an aggressive mob with one or more loudhailer tw*ts.

Events in Canary Wharf yesterday were disgusting too. Did you see the extended videos?..below

Andy

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 10:18

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:42

Safeguarding training is about professional practice, not slang on anonymous forums. Nobody said “kiddy fiddling” is appropriate in training just that it’s a recognised colloquialism.
Asking a trainer about forum slang would be absurd and you know it. I can separate context from performance. You’re just posturing. Outrage isn’t an argument. You are putting a hell of a lot of energy into this!

A quick question - you recognise it’s inappropriate for use in professional practice but argue that it’s perfectly fine to use it on an anonymous forum?

What makes it inappropriate to use the term ‘kiddy fiddling’ in professional practice and how is that different if you are ‘anonymous’? (You do know that no one is really anonymous online?)

ElizaTh0rnberry · 01/09/2025 10:21

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 09:39

God no, not in a million years. I think Reform is vile. A few well-meaning people may have become local council members etc and are trying to do the right thing, but Farage is the master of the playbook you’ve described.

He sets the cats among the pigeons, like when he suggested the Stockport killer was a Muslim migrant. He sits back, watches his followers torch hotels, and then, when it turns out the killer wasn’t a Muslim migrant, he shrugs and claims he was “just trying to help people.”

His followers commit crimes against migrants in his name, then defend him as though they acted entirely on their own, or that it's tit for tat because an immigrant has committed a crime. (These might even include the ones arrested recently with pre-existing DV convictions)

Farage preys on people like llizzie, exploiting their refusal to engage with facts. He praises them as “patriots,” makes them feel part of some great revolution, while in truth, he’ll do nothing to fix the system. He needs the boats and the hotels — they’re the fuel that keeps him relevant.

So yes, I agree the use of hotels has to stop. But screaming “mass deportations” isn’t a solution — it just riles up the wrong people and leads to more violence.

Not every Reform supporter is a violent thug, but violent thugs seem to be gravitating to Reform.

This is bang on 👏👏

Also just addressing what a poster mentioned earlier about migration being down due to less international students. This is having a huge knock on effect with universities who rely on international students for funding and has actually helped keep fees down for so long.
Making it harder for international students to get here is damaging in my opinion as the majority contribute so much to the local economy.

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 10:21

IneedAniffler · 01/09/2025 10:05

I am correcting you because you're wrong.

I have said many times on this thread that I agree gammon is racist. Much of the discussion has been about this.

And don’t try the cheap trick of equating that with “defending racism.” I haven’t defended racism at all. What I’ve done is point out the difference between behaviour-based insults and slurs that target people purely for existing in the “wrong” skin.

I pointed out that it’s not a ‘behaviour based’ insult, it’s an insult based purely on the colour of a persons skin - hence no one would use it against brown people.

I must have missed you calling it out as racist though. Well done.

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 10:25

I’m assuming you called it out as an unacceptable racist insult? Dang didn’t try and justify urs use by others like pp on page 2 who mentioned it?

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 10:33

I think I shall remain safely behind my castle walls...

To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September
Hedgehogged · 01/09/2025 12:04

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:33

You’ve done safeguarding training yet still think it’s appropriate to use a term like ‘kiddy fiddling’ which demeans and minimises the very serious issue of child sex abuse??

Do me a favour and ask your trainer if they think it’s fine to use that term as long as you are on an anonymous forum.

Do you really think you’re in the right here?

No way does it undermine it. It's an epithet. It describes the filthy actions perpetrated. Paedophilia is a term that can range from downloading child sexual abuse to child rape.

Naturally one needs to use professionally acceptable terminology in a work environment, but nothing wrong with it in this group.

LizzieW1969 · 01/09/2025 15:39

MistressoftheDarkSide · 31/08/2025 12:10

https://www.historyextra.com/period/tudor/henry-viiis-savage-reformation/

Religious based bloodshed has occurred on multiple occasions worldwide throughout history.

Here is an example of a period in UK history when this happened.

Think Northern Ireland. That was Catholics and Protestants too (with the obvious political divisions too, of course).

MushMonster · 01/09/2025 17:03

BundleBoogie · 01/09/2025 09:43

No, you claimed that an obviously racist term that is based entirely on the skin colour of the subject is not racist. It’s not about behaviour - nobody would use it against a brown person.

So yes, I am serious. The only unbelievable thing here is your determination to twist everything into a false equivalence just so you can avoid engaging with the actual point

I thought you might say that to try and deflect from your horrendously inappropriate use of language.

I did read the posts leading up to that and it looked like op had pointed out the obvious inequality between people being perfectly happy to call out child sex abuse in the Catholic Church but very many people in authority including police, courts and politicians have been very happy to turn a blind eye and enable the widespread and often vicious sexual abuse of vast numbers of predominantly white girls (last estimate 500,000+) by Muslim men, disproportionately of Pakistani origin.

You and another pp made some flippant comments that also didn’t engage with the substance. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Is it more than 500000?!
Shock horror, I missed that number from the reports. I thought it was much lower.....

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