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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:15

You haven't got a clue. It's a disgusting term that hasn't been used for decades. Seriously you defending it and trying to make put I'm pearl clutching! Red flags.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:25

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:15

You haven't got a clue. It's a disgusting term that hasn't been used for decades. Seriously you defending it and trying to make put I'm pearl clutching! Red flags.

You’re wrong. The term hasn’t “disappeared for decades” — it’s still used in UK media and everyday speech. A quick glance at recent tabloid or court reporting proves it.
So no, pointing out reality isn’t a “red flag,” it’s just inconvenient for you. If you can’t even Google before declaring yourself the authority, maybe sit this one out.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:30

Go and educate yourself. I'll be doing my child safeguarding annual training tomorrow. I know for a fact that is not acceptable language and is never used by authorities involved in the care and safeguarding of children.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:35

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:30

Go and educate yourself. I'll be doing my child safeguarding annual training tomorrow. I know for a fact that is not acceptable language and is never used by authorities involved in the care and safeguarding of children.

You’re hilarious. I also do safeguarding training, and I can assure you what’s said on an anonymous forum is not relevant to it. Maybe focus less on policing terminology in a conversation that wasn’t even directed at you, and more on the actual causes of child abuse.
If you cared as much about tackling paedophiles as you do about nitpicking words, you might find a more useful channel for all that rage.

WhereIsMyJumper · 31/08/2025 22:41

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:30

Go and educate yourself. I'll be doing my child safeguarding annual training tomorrow. I know for a fact that is not acceptable language and is never used by authorities involved in the care and safeguarding of children.

Ah, the old ‘go educate yourself’

A line that is trotted out so much on here it’s become fucking boring.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:41

Ffs you receive child safeguarding training and you are trying to say this is normal language. Get lost.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:42

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:41

Ffs you receive child safeguarding training and you are trying to say this is normal language. Get lost.

Yes, I receive safeguarding training — which is exactly why I know the difference between professional terminology in training and colloquial language on an anonymous forum. Nobody said it was “official language,” just that it exists and is still used.
If you can’t grasp that distinction, that’s on you. Shouting “get lost” doesn’t win the argument — it just shows you already lost it.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:43

Seriously worried for you

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:46

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:43

Seriously worried for you

Oh bless you, don’t wear yourself out worrying about me, save that energy for something useful. I promise I’ll soldier on somehow, even without your unsolicited concern.
But really, if “seriously worried for you” is the best you’ve got left, then I’d say I’m doing just fine in this discussion… and you’re the one running out of steam.

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 22:48

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:32

@misoandchips yep. they are kind of the poster boy for kiddy fiddling. sorry, but it is true.

Lol!! Catholic church is poster boy for Kiddie fiddling!!! The things you are allowed to say on mumsnet ey?,!!😂

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:51

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 22:48

Lol!! Catholic church is poster boy for Kiddie fiddling!!! The things you are allowed to say on mumsnet ey?,!!😂

Yes, it is — like it or not, the Catholic Church is the global poster boy for child abuse scandals. That’s not me being edgy, that’s just documented history. If that makes you uncomfortable, take it up with the institution, not with the people pointing out the obvious.
Executive Summary | IICSA Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

FYI, you're allowed to say whatever you like on Mumsnet. Sorry to disappoint you.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:52

Yeah it's grim and there's plenty I could say but will leave it. Just want it noted that the term is no longer used mainly because it trivialises a serious crime either intentionally or unintentionally.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:53

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:52

Yeah it's grim and there's plenty I could say but will leave it. Just want it noted that the term is no longer used mainly because it trivialises a serious crime either intentionally or unintentionally.

Noted — and irrelevant. The fact a term is uncomfortable doesn’t erase its existence, its common use, or its accuracy in context. You keep trying to elevate yourself by nitpicking language, but all you’ve really done is dodge the substance of the discussion.
If you’re “leaving it,” then leave it — but don’t pretend you’ve scored a moral victory. You’ve simply tapped out.

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 22:54

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:51

Yes, it is — like it or not, the Catholic Church is the global poster boy for child abuse scandals. That’s not me being edgy, that’s just documented history. If that makes you uncomfortable, take it up with the institution, not with the people pointing out the obvious.
Executive Summary | IICSA Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

FYI, you're allowed to say whatever you like on Mumsnet. Sorry to disappoint you.

I didn't day you aren't allowed to say whatever you like! You crack on! 👏

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:55

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 22:54

I didn't day you aren't allowed to say whatever you like! You crack on! 👏

Oh don’t worry, I will crack on. That’s the whole point — you tried to lecture, scold, and nitpick, and yet here I am still saying exactly what I like, backed with facts, while you’ve run out of argument.
Tail between your legs looks a good fit.

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 23:10

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:55

Oh don’t worry, I will crack on. That’s the whole point — you tried to lecture, scold, and nitpick, and yet here I am still saying exactly what I like, backed with facts, while you’ve run out of argument.
Tail between your legs looks a good fit.

Tail between my legs? You really are delusional aren't you!! Who have I lectured or scolded? CBA with your childish pettiness that's all.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 23:11

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 23:10

Tail between my legs? You really are delusional aren't you!! Who have I lectured or scolded? CBA with your childish pettiness that's all.

Of course you “can’t be arsed” — because every time you come back it’s with carping about tone, not substance. You’ve not once answered with evidence or anything that challenges the facts I’ve put down.
If pointing out holes in your argument feels like “pettiness,” maybe that says more about the strength of your position than it does about me.

llizzie · 01/09/2025 00:42

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:26

yep it's easy. sorry if you can't keep up but from what we have seen so far, you don't know basic history. so with kindness, I suggest you do a bit of learnin'.

Having all the links at your fingertips ready to send them to anyone who has a different opinion of you endears you to no-one. Life is too short to spend it attempting to humiliate other posters.

You insult my intelligence by suggesting I am an imbecile who doesn't know what links are and how to open them. You have the right of free speech only up to the point of giving an opinion on an issue in the news etc. You do not have the right to say publicly that someone is not educated enough to understand something as simple as a link. You have discovered links make you feel more intelligent if you use them. If that what makes you roll, good for you.

I have neither time nor inclination to read anything you suggest, because I do not like the way you suggest them..

Anyone who thinks knowing all those links makes them better than anyone else is fooling themselves.

llizzie · 01/09/2025 00:43

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:42

Yes, I receive safeguarding training — which is exactly why I know the difference between professional terminology in training and colloquial language on an anonymous forum. Nobody said it was “official language,” just that it exists and is still used.
If you can’t grasp that distinction, that’s on you. Shouting “get lost” doesn’t win the argument — it just shows you already lost it.

Oh my word.

llizzie · 01/09/2025 00:46

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:55

Oh don’t worry, I will crack on. That’s the whole point — you tried to lecture, scold, and nitpick, and yet here I am still saying exactly what I like, backed with facts, while you’ve run out of argument.
Tail between your legs looks a good fit.

Are you always so patronising?.

llizzie · 01/09/2025 00:52

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 21:01

As I said, I’d go back and try and look but I can’t be bothered. I can’t be sure that it was you on other threads as there seems to be a few similar usernames about. I also haven’t read your previous posts on this thread so I didn’t know you weren’t going to the TR protest. The posts of yours I have read led me to believe you were in favour of it.

You can pay management a fee and access all the posts anyone has ever posted. Why anyone would want to do that, taking up their time, is obvious, and it must be worth it otherwise they wouldn't charge for it.

llizzie · 01/09/2025 01:04

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 20:05

Tell me, if three white men are walking along as part of a peaceful protest against illegal immigration, is it acceptable to call them gammons? These men are not chanting or frothing just walking and supporting a cause they believe in. Are you saying because of that behaviour it is acceptable?

I thought the word ''gammon'' is being used instead of 'pig'. I thought it was being used because it was less obvious than 'pig' and sounded less of an insult.

One day the posters who think anyone and everyone should come to UK will be disillusioned in the future. They say things like ''learn from the past'', but they are actually learning the wrong things from the past, things that have been unsuccessful.

I am a tax payer and it is worrying to see where the money is being spent. There is so much ignorance, more than I thought, as I thought the people on here were parents, if not all mums.

What they say affects the children and grandchildren now and in the future. Do they realise that?

llizzie · 01/09/2025 01:21

MistressoftheDarkSide · 31/08/2025 21:59

Please can you explain your second paragraph?

I can try, though I will not repeat the insults.

I will defend the right to free speech, that is to express your own opinion. You cannot use libel or slander in that free speech. Nor can you insult someone you do not know, just because they do not share the same opinion.

When people do that, it is usually because they are floundering in a discussion or debate. If they are, then they have lost any dignity they might have possessed. It doesn't happen often on public forums, because it is wrong, but on here, posters think they can take liberties and say what they want, however personal.

Just because it is anonymous does not mean you can say and accuse anyone of anything. Some people are so nasty they just can't resist it.

Hence: I defend your right to free speech , but not the sort of freedom you think you have the right to express. Perhaps you would understand better if I had put 'but not with the sort of freedom you think you have a right to express'.

Perhaps the addition 'with' is clearer. If it is not I am sorry and will try to explain what I mean again.

llizzie · 01/09/2025 01:26

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:11

Spare me the pearl-clutching. “Kiddy fiddling” is a well-known, long-used slang term in the UK press and everyday speech — you’ll find it in tabloids, crime reports, even court transcripts. Pretending you’ve never heard it doesn’t make you virtuous, it just makes you look out of touch.
Nobody here is trivialising child sexual abuse — the term is used precisely because it’s a recognised colloquialism. If you’d rather feign outrage than engage with the point being made, that says more about your priorities than anyone else’s.
You don’t get to posture as morally superior while ignoring the substance of the discussion. Drop the theatrics and do your homework.

if you prefer the term child abuse, then I will oblige your sensitivites.

The catholic church is the poster boy for child abuse.

you're welcome

How long did that research take you?

GingerPower · 01/09/2025 01:53

Antifa protestors tend to be pretty thuggish themselves IME. Seems to attract the rebel without a cause type. Although I think most would get seven shades kicked out of them by proper thuggish football hooligan types tbh.

Don't think I'd be too fussed about attending tbh. The way to stop the growth of Reform etc is to actually start acknowledging the genuine concerns a lot of people have around things like sex crimes and cultural incompatibility.

When the media is publishing things like that study of four big middle eastern countries that found 90% of men admitting to public sexual harassment 'because it's fun' there will always be people kicking off about them coming here. Expecially when the crime stats show that said men are 3x more likely to commit sex crimes when they come to Europe.

Your uncle sounds like he has significant mental health issues though.

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