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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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Ethelflaedofmercia · 31/08/2025 21:19

Not a chance, I’ve been to one in st Helen’s during a Tommy Robinson rally. Never again, the arrogance from them was astounding and they were far from peaceful

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:19

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:15

It is our black economy that is the big draw. Every country in Europe offer asylum seekers the same benefits as the UK, in fact, Germany gives more benefits.

We have millions who work in our black economy while claiming benefits. Lack of ID makes this possible. We deport no one and most live on benefits for life while working illegally. As far as Trump is concerned who cares whether he loves us or hates us.

Under asylum we must house seekers before British citizens even though their asylum claim has been turned down.

Every failed asylum seekers in the UK has been given the right to remain indefinitely because we cannot deport. Once here for 10 years they have the right to citizenship.

We have 151,000 clogging up our courts to fight their deportation. Once here our present Gov. will let them stay. We cannot even deport the most violent criminals or terrorists.

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Almost everything you’ve claimed is either exaggerated or false.
Asylum seekers are not allowed to work while claims are processed — they survive on just £6.77 a day. Far from being “drawn to the black economy,” they’re banned from working. If allowed, they’d contribute £333m a year in taxes.
They don’t get housed “before British citizens.” They’re placed in temporary Home Office accommodation (often grim hotels). Strict residency rules mean migrants are less likely to get social housing than UK-born citizens.
The UK deports thousands every year — over 15,000 enforced or voluntary returns in 2023. The backlog of 151,000 cases exists because the Home Office and courts were gutted by underfunding, not because people “play the system.”
As for criminals — offenders can be deported. The only block is international law, which prevents sending people to face torture or death. That’s human rights, not weakness.
So no, failed asylum seekers aren’t living on benefits for life, and they’re not collapsing the economy. What’s collapsing the system is deliberate government neglect and profiteering, while refugees are used as scapegoats.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:19

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:11

I didn’t say you claimed to be a free-thinking truth-teller — I pointed out that you argue as if you are one, while rejecting any nuance that challenges your narrative. That isn’t “getting personal,” it’s highlighting the gap between how you present yourself and the arguments you actually make.

You posted

"You sound more like a parody of a “woke leftie” than the free-thinking truth-teller you claim to be"

So yes you posted that I "claimed" to be a "free-thinking truth-teller", which is something that I haven't done.

I have also posted my reasoning behind why "gammon" and "Karen" are racist.
You can go look if you like.

If you want to look for nuance in racism you do so. I do not need to because I believe that all racism is bad and don't need to put a hierarchy in place to make myself seem like a saviour or a victim.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:20

You’re twisting words. I never said you literally claimed to be a “free-thinking truth-teller” — I said you argue as if you are one. That’s not the same thing, and you know it.
And no, pointing out the difference between behaviour-based insults like Gammon or Karen and slurs that target nothing but skin colour isn’t “creating a hierarchy” — it’s recognising reality. Pretending there’s no difference doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you wilfully blind.
All racism is bad, yes. But not all words function in the same way. If you refuse to acknowledge that, you’re not fighting racism — you’re flattening the debate into something meaningless.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:21

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:04

Yes, the UK has seen high net migration — around 685,000 in 2023, down from a post-Brexit peak of 764,000 in 2022. But without migration, the UK population would already be shrinking — births no longer outpace deaths. This isn’t chaos; it’s demographic necessity.
Migrants aren’t “destroying the economy.” In fact, they contribute roughly £2.5 billion annually in taxes, and their work, study, and living costs added £37.4 billion to the UK economy. They aren’t draining the system; they are part of keeping it afloat.
Refugees and asylum seekers are just 0.54% of the UK population. Many live in poverty and are banned from working, yet if allowed to work, they could contribute £333 million per year to the economy. The “burden” narrative doesn’t hold up against the evidence.
On housing: migrants are less likely than UK-born citizens to access social housing due to strict “no recourse to public funds” rules and local residency requirements. The idea that they’re “jumping the queue” is a myth.
Division isn’t caused by their presence — it’s caused by misinformation, scapegoating, and populist rhetoric. Refugees didn’t bankrupt councils or slash budgets. Politicians did.

From what I've seen of you you are not keen on information, but just in case you ahve changed your mind:

The Guardian – Labour must debunk Farage’s migrant myths
Migration Observatory – The impact of migration on UK population growth
Refugee Action – Facts about refugees
International Rescue Committee – 11 myths about refugees debunked
Chartered Institute of Housing – Dispelling myths about migrants and housing
DavidsonMorris – Migrants’ economic contributions
IAS Services – Effect of immigration on the UK economy
Refugees didn’t break Britain. Lies about them did.

You pulled all this out of the hat in under an hour?

ThesebeautifulthingsthatIvegot · 31/08/2025 21:23

DreamyBalonz · 26/08/2025 21:42

Apparently people who don't want limitless illegal immigrants pouring into the country are fascists. My husband is going on the protest but to protest against illegal immigration. And it's a peaceful protest so not thugs or violence

Protesting against illegal immigration is a bit pointless. It's already illegal...

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:23

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 21:15

Gammon was a term coined long ago to describe a middle aged (or older) white guy getting angry and ranty and hence becoming a colour similar to gammon.
Karen is a very entitled middle class lady who makes a huge fuss about tiny things thing that affect her enormously such as the office switching from Nescafé to Tesco coffee. She will happily stage a one woman protest at reception and demand they go straight back to the shops and buy Nescafé.
Only the messenger...

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If we are going to do some history on it

Karen also came about as a middle aged white woman that would use her race to call the police against POC/BAME/Black people to get them in trouble.
But that is no longer how it is used or who it is used by.

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 21:24

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:23

If we are going to do some history on it

Karen also came about as a middle aged white woman that would use her race to call the police against POC/BAME/Black people to get them in trouble.
But that is no longer how it is used or who it is used by.

LOL well I asked AI and he's never let me down.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:26

yep it's easy. sorry if you can't keep up but from what we have seen so far, you don't know basic history. so with kindness, I suggest you do a bit of learnin'.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:26

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:21

You pulled all this out of the hat in under an hour?

yep it's easy. sorry if you can't keep up but from what we have seen so far, you don't know basic history. so with kindness, I suggest you do a bit of learnin'.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:30

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:08

You can’t have it both ways. On one hand, you paint immigrants as a “problem” destroying the country. On the other, you happily rely on immigrant carers to look after you — carers whose skills, culture, and work you openly benefit from.

And the police officer “warning” you that your African carer “cannot be trusted”? That doesn’t prove your point — it proves theirs. It shows exactly how deep prejudice runs, even against British citizens who’ve been here for years and are vetted professionals.

You say you’ll “never support illegal immigrants,” yet the ones you’re railing against in hotels aren’t illegal — they’re in the asylum system, which the government itself runs. You know who really fuels the black economy? Employers who exploit undocumented workers. The very people you’re scapegoating are usually its victims, not its drivers.

So let’s be clear: you don’t mind immigrants when they’re keeping your life comfortable. You just mind when they’re framed as an abstract threat by the same politicians who gutted public services.

There you go again, using worn out phrases and words decades out of date.

I most certainly can have it both ways. The illegal immigrants are coming too many too fast. They are ruining the country's economy. Because they throw away their identification it takes over a year to process them. Then they join the black economy through their own country contacts and never pay back what society gives them.

I will ALWAYS be against illegal immigration. The government calls these people illegal, the government wants to get rid of them, the government is running out of ideas and rich people to sponge and tax.

People who come here to work with visas to work, pay taxes and national insurance as self employed people are no different to those who came in the 1950s. They are acceptable. We know who they are, where they live, and they contribute to the economy.

There are two types of people in the world: law abiding and criminals. They come in all shapes and sizes, sexes, colours, and creeds. If they are law abiding it matters not what colour they are or what religion they have.

If they are criminal they are not wanted. If they come to this country illegally, they are not wanted. They should be deported.

Your problem is that you are so full of links to other sites, when it comes to actually putting something down, you are not so understanding.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/08/2025 21:30

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:18

If gammon “isn’t racist” and the people using it are just “dribbling idiots,” then why are you so animated about it? You can’t have it both ways — either the word is harmless noise from people you don’t rate, or it hits close enough to home that you feel the need to keep defending against it. Which is it?

It’s none of that. I was making the point that ‘gammon’ isn’t racist. I became very bored of the posts trying to argue that it is.

But its use is a signifier of a certain sort of person who’s a sad fool who spends their time being a self-important left-wing activist.

Which is why if I were ever called a gammon - I never have been - I would smile and shake my head at the person and judge their anorak/handful of pamphlets/walking poles/beard/silly Lenin cap/sandals/shouty pin badges/and so on.

That’s all.

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 21:31

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 08:31

So are you saying that paedophilia is a "Catholic problem" ?

Not provably the most fiddling but it's fairly safe to say they're firmly in the Premier League, with no danger of relegation.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:31

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/08/2025 21:30

It’s none of that. I was making the point that ‘gammon’ isn’t racist. I became very bored of the posts trying to argue that it is.

But its use is a signifier of a certain sort of person who’s a sad fool who spends their time being a self-important left-wing activist.

Which is why if I were ever called a gammon - I never have been - I would smile and shake my head at the person and judge their anorak/handful of pamphlets/walking poles/beard/silly Lenin cap/sandals/shouty pin badges/and so on.

That’s all.

absolutely fair enough

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:32

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 21:31

Not provably the most fiddling but it's fairly safe to say they're firmly in the Premier League, with no danger of relegation.

@misoandchips yep. they are kind of the poster boy for kiddy fiddling. sorry, but it is true.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:34

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Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 21:35

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:32

@misoandchips yep. they are kind of the poster boy for kiddy fiddling. sorry, but it is true.

Rowan Atkinson suggested a cure but that 1980 comedy show was "of its time" and so I won't mention it again.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:36

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:26

yep it's easy. sorry if you can't keep up but from what we have seen so far, you don't know basic history. so with kindness, I suggest you do a bit of learnin'.

God help me if I ever want to keep up with you.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:45

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:36

God help me if I ever want to keep up with you.

with kindness, I don't mean to offend you

You could look at basic sources first.

Adolf Hitler | Holocaust Encyclopedia

Don't write yourself off, you're clearly very keen to debate. You have passion. So please get some info behind you as I think you could do well and be a really strong voice even for the opposite side that I am arguing from. Just some fact finding and you would be an asset.

Adolf Hitler | Holocaust Encyclopedia

Adolf Hitler, leader of the Nazi Party, aimed to eliminate Europe's Jews and other perceived enemies of Nazi Germany. Learn more.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/adolf-hitler

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:48

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:45

with kindness, I don't mean to offend you

You could look at basic sources first.

Adolf Hitler | Holocaust Encyclopedia

Don't write yourself off, you're clearly very keen to debate. You have passion. So please get some info behind you as I think you could do well and be a really strong voice even for the opposite side that I am arguing from. Just some fact finding and you would be an asset.

There is nothing of kindness in your posts. They deliberately set out to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I defend your right to free speech, but not the sort of freedom you think you havet he right to express.

I make my own mind up.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 31/08/2025 21:59

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:48

There is nothing of kindness in your posts. They deliberately set out to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I defend your right to free speech, but not the sort of freedom you think you havet he right to express.

I make my own mind up.

Please can you explain your second paragraph?

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:59

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:48

There is nothing of kindness in your posts. They deliberately set out to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I defend your right to free speech, but not the sort of freedom you think you havet he right to express.

I make my own mind up.

You’re free to make your own mind up — but if you’re doing it without research or evidence, then all you’ve made up is an uninformed opinion. Everything I’ve said is backed by data, sources, and history. That’s the difference.

You've been given much information and refused to engage with it. Not by just be, but by many others.

You can either meet me on the ground of facts and information, or you can keep stamping your feet because reality doesn’t match your narrative. One of those is debate. The other is just a strop.

And let’s be clear: if you’re proud of being uninformed, that’s not free thinking that’s willful ignorance.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:01

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:48

There is nothing of kindness in your posts. They deliberately set out to ridicule anyone who doesn't agree with you.

I defend your right to free speech, but not the sort of freedom you think you havet he right to express.

I make my own mind up.

yes as @MistressoftheDarkSide has asked, please expound on your second paragraph.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:06

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:32

@misoandchips yep. they are kind of the poster boy for kiddy fiddling. sorry, but it is true.

Who the hell refers to child sexual abuse and paedophilia as 'kiddy fiddling'? I find these comments disgusting and seriously wonder about the type of posters making such flippant comments.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 22:11

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 22:06

Who the hell refers to child sexual abuse and paedophilia as 'kiddy fiddling'? I find these comments disgusting and seriously wonder about the type of posters making such flippant comments.

Spare me the pearl-clutching. “Kiddy fiddling” is a well-known, long-used slang term in the UK press and everyday speech — you’ll find it in tabloids, crime reports, even court transcripts. Pretending you’ve never heard it doesn’t make you virtuous, it just makes you look out of touch.
Nobody here is trivialising child sexual abuse — the term is used precisely because it’s a recognised colloquialism. If you’d rather feign outrage than engage with the point being made, that says more about your priorities than anyone else’s.
You don’t get to posture as morally superior while ignoring the substance of the discussion. Drop the theatrics and do your homework.

if you prefer the term child abuse, then I will oblige your sensitivites.

The catholic church is the poster boy for child abuse.

you're welcome

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