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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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llizzie · 31/08/2025 20:39

allusernamesaretakennow · 31/08/2025 18:42

I wondered why everyone who is concerned about the levels of immigration are labelled racists. Pretty lazy to label everyone as racist when there are a multitude of concerns including lack.of housing, services and affordability etc.

It is wrong to label people, especially by those who really do not understand what is happening.

I am not against immigration if it is legal, and the people are genuine asylum seekers, but what we are seeing now is a problem, and not necessary of race.

Too many people are coming across the channel, and too fast. For whatever reason they are coming, they are disrupting the lives of ordinary people.

'A house divided upon itself cannot stand''. We are seeing a country divided on itself by too many immigrants coming too fast. Look how divided this thread is, Already by their very presence these illegal migrants have divided the country and are causing conflicts - without even a shot over the bows! Why? Why now? At first, last year, it was because labour won the election, and because Starmer opposed the government for the sake of it, people in Africa and the middle east and a few others, thought they would be let in by the new government, so they came, and kept coming.

It is the sheer volume and speed which is causing the main trouble. The fact that they are coloured and of other religions now is on the back burner, at least for a while. There is another problem. They do not speak English, they do not understand UK law, and I suspect they don't want to.

We are now reduced to a country with conflict and an economy which is fast being destroyed, because the people of Britain are fighting over whether they should be here or not, regardless of where they come from. When our economy has been decimated and the balance of payments irrecoverable for decades, what then?

They have disrupted the lives of British citizens, whether they intended to or not. They have reduced the British economy to a point where it is almost impossible to recover from. It beggars belief that there can be such divided opinions over something that must surely be obvious?

Why is there so much division among British citizens, using insulting language like fascists and gammons? Does calling people names do any good? Is that all the British people are capable of - slurs and names? When the country is falling apart from lack of control and an economy in tatters, the people just start calling each other names!!!

Is it a case of the 'have nots' wanting to get rid of the 'haves'? Does our economy now hinge on jealousy? Jealousy of what, money, power? If it is, what hope is there if the country is flooded with more ''have nots''?

We have a socialist government, like it or not, who are drowning under the weight of immigrants who the government say are illegal, whatever posters on here say. We have a socialist PM who tells us he is doing his best to get rid of them, and he stands in front of the union flag when he says so. The 'counter=revolutionaries' for want of a better term are calling anyone showing the St George flag and the union flag fascists and enemies of the country, yet they say they support the government. That sort of confusion is harming the country in all sorts of ways. A house divided upon itself cannot stand. Remember those words and see where Britain will be fairly soon, unless the squabbling stops.

The government wants rid of them because there are too many of them coming too fast to process. Each case is over a year in waiting. If the staff can be found to process them faster, there is no money to pay them.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/08/2025 20:43

For the love of god, ‘gammon’ is not a racist term. Please, please stop this nonsense.

Those who get called gammons - which as far as I can tell is older men anyway - can reassure themselves that the people who use the term are silly old fools who spend their time in Labour Party branch meetings and work the party stall on weekends in the local high street. These people are dribbling idiots. Just ignore them.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 20:43

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 20:39

I haven't compared them to racist terms.

I have said that they are racist terms.

I am not collapsing everything into racism.

Racism clearly exists. why do you wish to make it nuanced?

Because it clearly is nuanced. Not everything is black and white — and pretending it is doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you simplistic.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 20:45

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/08/2025 20:43

For the love of god, ‘gammon’ is not a racist term. Please, please stop this nonsense.

Those who get called gammons - which as far as I can tell is older men anyway - can reassure themselves that the people who use the term are silly old fools who spend their time in Labour Party branch meetings and work the party stall on weekends in the local high street. These people are dribbling idiots. Just ignore them.

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They’re clearly not happy with being ignored, as we can see. They want to be taken seriously — but the moment they’re questioned, they fall apart like a cheap suit.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 20:50

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 19:13

I agree that many aspects of our country are terrible.

I can categorically say that spending between £5-8 million PER DAY indefinitely on hotels for asylum seekers is not going to help. We have spent £5 billion in the last two years - just on hotels. It’s not just the individuals who gain the right to remain but then also families have the right to join them. In some area the cost is further bumped up by local provision of private healthcare directly into the hotels (yes, I’ve seen it in the local news). Not to mention the additional costs of court cases and lawyers.

We have every right to hold the government to account on this and every other area of failure.

From the BBC website:
The Home Office's annual accounts, external show £2.1bn was spent on hotel accommodation - an average of about £5.77m per day, down from £3bn or £8.3m per day, the previous year.

I remember in covid Starmer accusing the conservative government of giving out contract to ''friends'' who were profiting from them.

Now the tables have turned, and government 'friends' who own hotels and boarding houses, rental properties are absolutely rolling in the profits of having their places filled all the time and guaranteed payment.

Who is the owner of the Bell Hotel, who shared the cost of the appeal with the government? How long has he been here? Is he legal? How many of the owners of migrant hotels are British citizens? We should know, because they are being given our income tax to make them millionaires, while British nationals are homeless and living on benefits.

They have also significantly influenced the British nationals (who are all colours, creeds) to campaign on their side, thus increasing their income even more.

Think of the many single families chucked out of their homes because the government is giving them more money to house migrants.

Don't posters on here who are all for letting everyone in think the landlords should not be given more than the normal rent? What are hotel owners getting from housing migrants? The usual B&B price or a premium?

Those are the sort of questions posters should be asking, not using expletives and dragging down the UK.

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 20:53

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 20:35

You do repost misinformation, I could swear I’ve seen you on other threads. Mind you, I can’t be sure unless I go and look and I can’t be bothered really. Enjoy your protest anyway.

What misinformation have a re posted? And what protest? I have a job i dont do protesting.

user764329056 · 31/08/2025 20:54

Yes, am planning to go

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 20:54

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 20:23

#operationletthemspeak Just keep talking and proving the point...

What point is that, please? Was it you who said earlier on in the thread that you’re always pissed off? Well that figures and proves the point that it’s always angry, miserable people who want to take their anger out on others.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 20:58

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2025 17:45

Children’s author Ben Davis tells The Independent that he coined the term with a tweet composed while watching coverage of the 2017 election result:

Davis writes that he intended the remark as a throwaway joke, aimed at sending up blustering “golf club” types,

So he should. Gammon is smoked pig. I supposed it to be aimed at people who previously were called pigs, hoping it would sound better and people wouldn't understand.

It is easy for anyone now to create a problem in Britain, because rather than band together to sort a problem out, they stand on opposite sides, causing division in Britain and destroying the economy. That is what Putin does when he wants to control a country when he has settled the civil wars he starts.

Is it our education system? Is it failing, or is it that parents cannot control whether the children go to school or not?

Is it that the food isn't feeding the brains? The BBC highlighted the scale of school absenteeism today. Why can't parents send their children to school? Perhaps the children would be more likely to go to school if they had a good dinner inside them. Why not do away with child allowances and give all children free school meals? At least they stand a better chance of some sort of success, and may make a better job of raising the great in Britain again?

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 21:01

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 20:53

What misinformation have a re posted? And what protest? I have a job i dont do protesting.

As I said, I’d go back and try and look but I can’t be bothered. I can’t be sure that it was you on other threads as there seems to be a few similar usernames about. I also haven’t read your previous posts on this thread so I didn’t know you weren’t going to the TR protest. The posts of yours I have read led me to believe you were in favour of it.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:03

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 20:45

They’re clearly not happy with being ignored, as we can see. They want to be taken seriously — but the moment they’re questioned, they fall apart like a cheap suit.

"They're" an interesting term that in this case others people.

You still haven't made your case for being nuanced.

Zov · 31/08/2025 21:03

Nah, I'll be hoovering the cat that day.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:04

llizzie · 31/08/2025 20:39

It is wrong to label people, especially by those who really do not understand what is happening.

I am not against immigration if it is legal, and the people are genuine asylum seekers, but what we are seeing now is a problem, and not necessary of race.

Too many people are coming across the channel, and too fast. For whatever reason they are coming, they are disrupting the lives of ordinary people.

'A house divided upon itself cannot stand''. We are seeing a country divided on itself by too many immigrants coming too fast. Look how divided this thread is, Already by their very presence these illegal migrants have divided the country and are causing conflicts - without even a shot over the bows! Why? Why now? At first, last year, it was because labour won the election, and because Starmer opposed the government for the sake of it, people in Africa and the middle east and a few others, thought they would be let in by the new government, so they came, and kept coming.

It is the sheer volume and speed which is causing the main trouble. The fact that they are coloured and of other religions now is on the back burner, at least for a while. There is another problem. They do not speak English, they do not understand UK law, and I suspect they don't want to.

We are now reduced to a country with conflict and an economy which is fast being destroyed, because the people of Britain are fighting over whether they should be here or not, regardless of where they come from. When our economy has been decimated and the balance of payments irrecoverable for decades, what then?

They have disrupted the lives of British citizens, whether they intended to or not. They have reduced the British economy to a point where it is almost impossible to recover from. It beggars belief that there can be such divided opinions over something that must surely be obvious?

Why is there so much division among British citizens, using insulting language like fascists and gammons? Does calling people names do any good? Is that all the British people are capable of - slurs and names? When the country is falling apart from lack of control and an economy in tatters, the people just start calling each other names!!!

Is it a case of the 'have nots' wanting to get rid of the 'haves'? Does our economy now hinge on jealousy? Jealousy of what, money, power? If it is, what hope is there if the country is flooded with more ''have nots''?

We have a socialist government, like it or not, who are drowning under the weight of immigrants who the government say are illegal, whatever posters on here say. We have a socialist PM who tells us he is doing his best to get rid of them, and he stands in front of the union flag when he says so. The 'counter=revolutionaries' for want of a better term are calling anyone showing the St George flag and the union flag fascists and enemies of the country, yet they say they support the government. That sort of confusion is harming the country in all sorts of ways. A house divided upon itself cannot stand. Remember those words and see where Britain will be fairly soon, unless the squabbling stops.

The government wants rid of them because there are too many of them coming too fast to process. Each case is over a year in waiting. If the staff can be found to process them faster, there is no money to pay them.

Yes, the UK has seen high net migration — around 685,000 in 2023, down from a post-Brexit peak of 764,000 in 2022. But without migration, the UK population would already be shrinking — births no longer outpace deaths. This isn’t chaos; it’s demographic necessity.
Migrants aren’t “destroying the economy.” In fact, they contribute roughly £2.5 billion annually in taxes, and their work, study, and living costs added £37.4 billion to the UK economy. They aren’t draining the system; they are part of keeping it afloat.
Refugees and asylum seekers are just 0.54% of the UK population. Many live in poverty and are banned from working, yet if allowed to work, they could contribute £333 million per year to the economy. The “burden” narrative doesn’t hold up against the evidence.
On housing: migrants are less likely than UK-born citizens to access social housing due to strict “no recourse to public funds” rules and local residency requirements. The idea that they’re “jumping the queue” is a myth.
Division isn’t caused by their presence — it’s caused by misinformation, scapegoating, and populist rhetoric. Refugees didn’t bankrupt councils or slash budgets. Politicians did.

From what I've seen of you you are not keen on information, but just in case you ahve changed your mind:

The Guardian – Labour must debunk Farage’s migrant myths
Migration Observatory – The impact of migration on UK population growth
Refugee Action – Facts about refugees
International Rescue Committee – 11 myths about refugees debunked
Chartered Institute of Housing – Dispelling myths about migrants and housing
DavidsonMorris – Migrants’ economic contributions
IAS Services – Effect of immigration on the UK economy
Refugees didn’t break Britain. Lies about them did.

The Impact of Migration on UK Population Growth - Migration Observatory

Based on official population estimates and population projections, this briefing examines the impact of migration on recent and future UK population growth.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-impact-of-migration-on-uk-population-growth/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:05

Now you’re just clutching at straws. You sound more like a parody of a “woke leftie” than the free-thinking truth-teller you claim to be.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:06

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:03

"They're" an interesting term that in this case others people.

You still haven't made your case for being nuanced.

Now you’re just clutching at straws. You sound more like a parody of a “woke leftie” than the free-thinking truth-teller you claim to be.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:06

WalkDontWalk · 31/08/2025 14:57

What if they kept insisting they weren't heterosexual? Or not a communist? Or not guilty?

The irony for me is that people on here don't like what I say (I don't like what they say, but will defend to the death their right to say it) and call me racist and fascist.

Where I live I am criticised for ''employing'' immigrant carers. I even had a police officer warn me ''they cannot be trusted'', against an African carer who has had British nationality for a long time, and, is registered with the police to go into people's homes to work. My carers are from all over the world. I don't mind their religion if they don't mind mine.

Without going outside the house I know so much about other countries, other foods, other lives.

I will NEVER support illegal immigrants. I ask to see a permit to work and a driving licence and so on. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE BLACK ECONOMY.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:08

llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:06

The irony for me is that people on here don't like what I say (I don't like what they say, but will defend to the death their right to say it) and call me racist and fascist.

Where I live I am criticised for ''employing'' immigrant carers. I even had a police officer warn me ''they cannot be trusted'', against an African carer who has had British nationality for a long time, and, is registered with the police to go into people's homes to work. My carers are from all over the world. I don't mind their religion if they don't mind mine.

Without going outside the house I know so much about other countries, other foods, other lives.

I will NEVER support illegal immigrants. I ask to see a permit to work and a driving licence and so on. I DO NOT SUPPORT THE BLACK ECONOMY.

You can’t have it both ways. On one hand, you paint immigrants as a “problem” destroying the country. On the other, you happily rely on immigrant carers to look after you — carers whose skills, culture, and work you openly benefit from.

And the police officer “warning” you that your African carer “cannot be trusted”? That doesn’t prove your point — it proves theirs. It shows exactly how deep prejudice runs, even against British citizens who’ve been here for years and are vetted professionals.

You say you’ll “never support illegal immigrants,” yet the ones you’re railing against in hotels aren’t illegal — they’re in the asylum system, which the government itself runs. You know who really fuels the black economy? Employers who exploit undocumented workers. The very people you’re scapegoating are usually its victims, not its drivers.

So let’s be clear: you don’t mind immigrants when they’re keeping your life comfortable. You just mind when they’re framed as an abstract threat by the same politicians who gutted public services.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:09

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:06

Now you’re just clutching at straws. You sound more like a parody of a “woke leftie” than the free-thinking truth-teller you claim to be.

Good to see that you have kept to your moral levels and are trying to get personal.
Which is about considering your posts.

Also, can you post where I claimed to be a "free-thinking truth-teller" or is this just stuff that you are making up?

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 21:11

llizzie · 31/08/2025 20:50

I remember in covid Starmer accusing the conservative government of giving out contract to ''friends'' who were profiting from them.

Now the tables have turned, and government 'friends' who own hotels and boarding houses, rental properties are absolutely rolling in the profits of having their places filled all the time and guaranteed payment.

Who is the owner of the Bell Hotel, who shared the cost of the appeal with the government? How long has he been here? Is he legal? How many of the owners of migrant hotels are British citizens? We should know, because they are being given our income tax to make them millionaires, while British nationals are homeless and living on benefits.

They have also significantly influenced the British nationals (who are all colours, creeds) to campaign on their side, thus increasing their income even more.

Think of the many single families chucked out of their homes because the government is giving them more money to house migrants.

Don't posters on here who are all for letting everyone in think the landlords should not be given more than the normal rent? What are hotel owners getting from housing migrants? The usual B&B price or a premium?

Those are the sort of questions posters should be asking, not using expletives and dragging down the UK.

The hotels are owned by donors to the Tory party, and it was the Tories who caused the backlog of claims by stopping processing them.

Britania hotels are absolute shit holes that no British person wants to stay in and before the asylum crisis they couldn’t fill their rooms. Most of them were booked by the hour by sex workers. They certainly aren’t 5 star, they’re stinking. I had the misfortune to stay in one 2010 not knowing how bad they were.

The asylum crisis presented an opportunity for the owners to make money renting out the rooms for asylum accommodation while the Tories were paying for it. It started way before Labour got in.

You don’t half talk some shite.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:11

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 21:09

Good to see that you have kept to your moral levels and are trying to get personal.
Which is about considering your posts.

Also, can you post where I claimed to be a "free-thinking truth-teller" or is this just stuff that you are making up?

I didn’t say you claimed to be a free-thinking truth-teller — I pointed out that you argue as if you are one, while rejecting any nuance that challenges your narrative. That isn’t “getting personal,” it’s highlighting the gap between how you present yourself and the arguments you actually make.

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/08/2025 21:14

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 20:45

They’re clearly not happy with being ignored, as we can see. They want to be taken seriously — but the moment they’re questioned, they fall apart like a cheap suit.

I don’t quite get your point. Mine is:

  • ‘gammon’ is not a racist term (it may be offensive, rude etc, but it’s not racist)
  • the people who throw the term around are half-wits who devote their lives to Labour or other left-wing politics
  • these left-wing people are too stupid and out of touch to take seriously
  • therefore, anyone who is called a gammon should take heart from the fact that the person using the term is a dribbling idiot
llizzie · 31/08/2025 21:15

PocketSand · 31/08/2025 17:07

@JollyUmberDeer that doesn’t make sense. Economic migrants are profitable. The sick, disabled and elderly are not. The idea that we can end economic migration in a country with a falling birth rate, higher elderly population and low unemployment rate by changing rules of eligility for disability benefit is insane.

Employers don’t want British workers for whom they have to make reasonable adjustment. They don’t even want to pay reasonable wages for British workers. They want government top ups to maximise profit.

Don’t blame individual economic migrants. Blame the system that makes it profitable to employ them. And the hand in glove political system that demonises them. And the useful idiots that don’t see the whole picture.

It is our black economy that is the big draw. Every country in Europe offer asylum seekers the same benefits as the UK, in fact, Germany gives more benefits.

We have millions who work in our black economy while claiming benefits. Lack of ID makes this possible. We deport no one and most live on benefits for life while working illegally. As far as Trump is concerned who cares whether he loves us or hates us.

Under asylum we must house seekers before British citizens even though their asylum claim has been turned down.

Every failed asylum seekers in the UK has been given the right to remain indefinitely because we cannot deport. Once here for 10 years they have the right to citizenship.

We have 151,000 clogging up our courts to fight their deportation. Once here our present Gov. will let them stay. We cannot even deport the most violent criminals or terrorists.

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 21:15

Gammon was a term coined long ago to describe a middle aged (or older) white guy getting angry and ranty and hence becoming a colour similar to gammon.
Karen is a very entitled middle class lady who makes a huge fuss about tiny things thing that affect her enormously such as the office switching from Nescafé to Tesco coffee. She will happily stage a one woman protest at reception and demand they go straight back to the shops and buy Nescafé.
Only the messenger...

MyLimeGuide · 31/08/2025 21:16

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 21:01

As I said, I’d go back and try and look but I can’t be bothered. I can’t be sure that it was you on other threads as there seems to be a few similar usernames about. I also haven’t read your previous posts on this thread so I didn’t know you weren’t going to the TR protest. The posts of yours I have read led me to believe you were in favour of it.

Im definitely not interested in aggrevation and street riots wasting taxpayers money via police intervention from any side. Its a pathetic excuse for humans to create unnecessary drama IMO.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 21:18

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 31/08/2025 21:14

I don’t quite get your point. Mine is:

  • ‘gammon’ is not a racist term (it may be offensive, rude etc, but it’s not racist)
  • the people who throw the term around are half-wits who devote their lives to Labour or other left-wing politics
  • these left-wing people are too stupid and out of touch to take seriously
  • therefore, anyone who is called a gammon should take heart from the fact that the person using the term is a dribbling idiot

If gammon “isn’t racist” and the people using it are just “dribbling idiots,” then why are you so animated about it? You can’t have it both ways — either the word is harmless noise from people you don’t rate, or it hits close enough to home that you feel the need to keep defending against it. Which is it?

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