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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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smallpinecone · 31/08/2025 13:51

BlueandPinkSwan · 31/08/2025 13:31

You can wave as many banners and protest as much as you want, but nothing will change as far as the government is concerned.
They just see it as the proles having a day out, probable punch ups and the tax payer having to pay the extra policing as usual.

Are you suggesting that there is no political solution for British people unhappy with the current levels of mass immigration?

If voting doesn’t work, and protests don’t work - what will it take for the government to listen to the majority of the voting public?

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 14:38

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 11:17

Out of interest - awkward is married to a person from SA who refers to themselves that way - and from what i can see it's an afrikaans word that when I've looked it up seems to be largely colloquial in it's usage unless it's intended specifically as an insult

so where do you stand on "ozzie" "kiwi" "scouser" "geordie" "yankee"

That is the most creative and inaccurate justification for racism I’ve seen.

I can find no record of it being an Afrikaans word in the context that Awkward used.

Why on earth would Awkwards husband be going to the protest to protect her from men like himself?

WalkDontWalk · 31/08/2025 14:57

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 04:16

I think you have to be wilfully ignorant to not know what this means, really, because I understood it instantly.

I have seldom, if ever in my life had to tell anybody I’m not racist, so if you catch yourself frequently feeling the need to tell someone you aren’t racist because you think they might think you are, then you are racist.

If you’re saying ‘’I’m not racist but…..’’ a lot, then clearly you are racist, and equally, if you’re find you’re getting called racist a lot and you have to keep claiming you’re not, then you are.

And yes, the same applies in other contexts. If, for example, someone felt the need to keep clarifying that they were heterosexual or that they weren’t homosexual then, naturally, others would think they were lying because it’s not a normal thing to keep having to say.

HTH.

Edited

What if they kept insisting they weren't heterosexual? Or not a communist? Or not guilty?

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 15:20

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 31/08/2025 12:53

How do you even know "half the food bank recipients are migrants?"

What are you basing that on?!"
Evidence of my own eyes.

That still doesn't answer. Your own eyes? Why not just spit out what you mean as it just sounds like you see someone who's not white and think "migrant?"

Edited

The volunteers have told me what the nationality breakdown of the recipients are. They all have to have a card saying they are an Asylum Seeker or they don't get any food.

The women are wearing middle eastern dress and speaking Farsi.

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 15:24

@WalkDontWalk People don’t generally insist they aren’t heterosexual because being heterosexual carries no stigma. There would be no need to insist you weren’t heterosexual because being heterosexual doesn’t usually result in oppression and being ostracised.

People usually protest too much about NOT being catagorised into groups that they know will likely result in social stigma because they’re too scared of pushback and rejection.

You know this full well, you’re deliberately pretending not to understand it for the sake of argument, just like a previous poster said that I was ‘’announcing’’ I wasn’t racist by making my previous point and therefore trying to allude to me being as much to blame. You’re all so transparent 😂

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 15:26

MistressoftheDarkSide · 31/08/2025 12:51

https://gmiau.org/voices-from-asylum-hotels-food-and-conditions/

Some insights that might provide a balanced view.

I'm not sure why you have posted that but it certainly doesn't engender any sympathy from me.

These people choose to come here, illegally, via the channel - they could have stayed in France, a safe country.

If they don't like it then, as with prison food, they are all volunteers and need to suck it up.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 15:55

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 14:38

That is the most creative and inaccurate justification for racism I’ve seen.

I can find no record of it being an Afrikaans word in the context that Awkward used.

Why on earth would Awkwards husband be going to the protest to protect her from men like himself?

“That is the most creative and inaccurate justification for racism I’ve seen.”
If you’d actually read what I wrote, you’d see I didn’t justify anything. Not once. I pointed out that “saffa” is an Afrikaans-derived term, used both colloquially and, in some contexts, insultingly. That’s a description, not a defence. Googling “is saffa racist” is not “creative” it’s just reading comprehension. Try to separate explaining something from excusing it.

“I can find no record of it being an Afrikaans word in the context that Awkward used.”
Then I can only assume you’re either incapable of using Google properly, or you skimmed the first result and called it a day. “Saffa” is listed in multiple places as an Afrikaans abbreviation. Some sources say it can be offensive, others note it’s widely used neutrally. Context matters. If nuance doesn’t fit your black-and-white perspective that’s on you.

“Why on earth would Awkward’s husband be going to the protest to protect her from men like himself?”

This cannot be a real question. why is anyone going to counter protest?

They’re both sick to the back teeth of people being manipulated into thinking refugees are the ones “stealing from them,” when the real theft comes from the grifters in power. That’s blindingly obvious.

Why do people there need protecting?? pretending far-right protests don’t come with a track record of violence is absurd. We’ve all seen the well-documented violence, arson and intimidation, last year’s Farage riots alone were proof enough. are you unaware of that or just pretending it didn't happen, or are you justifying it .

And again, you neatly sidestepped my actual question. If “saffa” is irredeemably racist in your eyes, where does that leave “Ozzie,” “Kiwi,” “Scouser,” “Geordie,” or “Yankee”? Silence speaks volumes.

Did I overestimate your ability to hold a discussion without collapsing it into:
“awkwardasfuck must be a racist,” and “I couldn’t find anything, therefore my opinion is fact.”

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 15:55

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 15:24

@WalkDontWalk People don’t generally insist they aren’t heterosexual because being heterosexual carries no stigma. There would be no need to insist you weren’t heterosexual because being heterosexual doesn’t usually result in oppression and being ostracised.

People usually protest too much about NOT being catagorised into groups that they know will likely result in social stigma because they’re too scared of pushback and rejection.

You know this full well, you’re deliberately pretending not to understand it for the sake of argument, just like a previous poster said that I was ‘’announcing’’ I wasn’t racist by making my previous point and therefore trying to allude to me being as much to blame. You’re all so transparent 😂

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And, to be in social situations where you to keep saying ‘I’m not racist’ suggests that you’re saying things that sound like you are because you keep having to caveat your speech with it @WalkDontWalk.

Nobody who isn’t racist constantly has to declare it to avoid being rejected.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 31/08/2025 16:11

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 15:26

I'm not sure why you have posted that but it certainly doesn't engender any sympathy from me.

These people choose to come here, illegally, via the channel - they could have stayed in France, a safe country.

If they don't like it then, as with prison food, they are all volunteers and need to suck it up.

Well at least you're consistent, you've got that going for you, I suppose.

Somerford · 31/08/2025 16:21

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 15:55

“That is the most creative and inaccurate justification for racism I’ve seen.”
If you’d actually read what I wrote, you’d see I didn’t justify anything. Not once. I pointed out that “saffa” is an Afrikaans-derived term, used both colloquially and, in some contexts, insultingly. That’s a description, not a defence. Googling “is saffa racist” is not “creative” it’s just reading comprehension. Try to separate explaining something from excusing it.

“I can find no record of it being an Afrikaans word in the context that Awkward used.”
Then I can only assume you’re either incapable of using Google properly, or you skimmed the first result and called it a day. “Saffa” is listed in multiple places as an Afrikaans abbreviation. Some sources say it can be offensive, others note it’s widely used neutrally. Context matters. If nuance doesn’t fit your black-and-white perspective that’s on you.

“Why on earth would Awkward’s husband be going to the protest to protect her from men like himself?”

This cannot be a real question. why is anyone going to counter protest?

They’re both sick to the back teeth of people being manipulated into thinking refugees are the ones “stealing from them,” when the real theft comes from the grifters in power. That’s blindingly obvious.

Why do people there need protecting?? pretending far-right protests don’t come with a track record of violence is absurd. We’ve all seen the well-documented violence, arson and intimidation, last year’s Farage riots alone were proof enough. are you unaware of that or just pretending it didn't happen, or are you justifying it .

And again, you neatly sidestepped my actual question. If “saffa” is irredeemably racist in your eyes, where does that leave “Ozzie,” “Kiwi,” “Scouser,” “Geordie,” or “Yankee”? Silence speaks volumes.

Did I overestimate your ability to hold a discussion without collapsing it into:
“awkwardasfuck must be a racist,” and “I couldn’t find anything, therefore my opinion is fact.”

I think "gammons" was the term PP was talking about, not "saffa"

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 16:30

Somerford · 31/08/2025 16:21

I think "gammons" was the term PP was talking about, not "saffa"

If that's the case I'm happy to be corrected.

FWIW i don't think gammon is racist, i think it's a common insult like Karen, Snowflake, Boomer, Neckbeard etc. It's a stereotype.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 16:43

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 16:30

If that's the case I'm happy to be corrected.

FWIW i don't think gammon is racist, i think it's a common insult like Karen, Snowflake, Boomer, Neckbeard etc. It's a stereotype.

Definitely "gammon", definitely racist.

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 16:53

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 15:55

“That is the most creative and inaccurate justification for racism I’ve seen.”
If you’d actually read what I wrote, you’d see I didn’t justify anything. Not once. I pointed out that “saffa” is an Afrikaans-derived term, used both colloquially and, in some contexts, insultingly. That’s a description, not a defence. Googling “is saffa racist” is not “creative” it’s just reading comprehension. Try to separate explaining something from excusing it.

“I can find no record of it being an Afrikaans word in the context that Awkward used.”
Then I can only assume you’re either incapable of using Google properly, or you skimmed the first result and called it a day. “Saffa” is listed in multiple places as an Afrikaans abbreviation. Some sources say it can be offensive, others note it’s widely used neutrally. Context matters. If nuance doesn’t fit your black-and-white perspective that’s on you.

“Why on earth would Awkward’s husband be going to the protest to protect her from men like himself?”

This cannot be a real question. why is anyone going to counter protest?

They’re both sick to the back teeth of people being manipulated into thinking refugees are the ones “stealing from them,” when the real theft comes from the grifters in power. That’s blindingly obvious.

Why do people there need protecting?? pretending far-right protests don’t come with a track record of violence is absurd. We’ve all seen the well-documented violence, arson and intimidation, last year’s Farage riots alone were proof enough. are you unaware of that or just pretending it didn't happen, or are you justifying it .

And again, you neatly sidestepped my actual question. If “saffa” is irredeemably racist in your eyes, where does that leave “Ozzie,” “Kiwi,” “Scouser,” “Geordie,” or “Yankee”? Silence speaks volumes.

Did I overestimate your ability to hold a discussion without collapsing it into:
“awkwardasfuck must be a racist,” and “I couldn’t find anything, therefore my opinion is fact.”

I don’t know why you are on about ‘saffa’ as an issue.

Are you so comfortable with racism as long as it is against a white man that you missed the racist slur ‘gammon’?

Maybe you and awkward both need to review your anti racist credentials?

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 16:58

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 16:30

If that's the case I'm happy to be corrected.

FWIW i don't think gammon is racist, i think it's a common insult like Karen, Snowflake, Boomer, Neckbeard etc. It's a stereotype.

It is specifically about the subject being white - of course it’s racist.

Try and imagine a similar perjorative term being used about a non white person and think about the reaction from the so called anti-racists, then consider how they justify being racist in their heads. To me, not being racist means just that.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 16:59

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 16:43

Definitely "gammon", definitely racist.

Yep used by lefty champagne socialists. They truly believe they are superior to the boring white working class who in their mind need to be dehumanised, silenced and ridiculed. These people really should look in the mirror. I could imagine Starmer using such words in the same way that Gordon Brown looked down on the working class.

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2025 17:06

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 16:59

Yep used by lefty champagne socialists. They truly believe they are superior to the boring white working class who in their mind need to be dehumanised, silenced and ridiculed. These people really should look in the mirror. I could imagine Starmer using such words in the same way that Gordon Brown looked down on the working class.

That’s a hell of a chip you’ve got on your shoulder.

PocketSand · 31/08/2025 17:07

@JollyUmberDeer that doesn’t make sense. Economic migrants are profitable. The sick, disabled and elderly are not. The idea that we can end economic migration in a country with a falling birth rate, higher elderly population and low unemployment rate by changing rules of eligility for disability benefit is insane.

Employers don’t want British workers for whom they have to make reasonable adjustment. They don’t even want to pay reasonable wages for British workers. They want government top ups to maximise profit.

Don’t blame individual economic migrants. Blame the system that makes it profitable to employ them. And the hand in glove political system that demonises them. And the useful idiots that don’t see the whole picture.

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 17:22

BundleBoogie · 31/08/2025 16:53

I don’t know why you are on about ‘saffa’ as an issue.

Are you so comfortable with racism as long as it is against a white man that you missed the racist slur ‘gammon’?

Maybe you and awkward both need to review your anti racist credentials?

Thank you, actually, you’ve kind of proved my point for me.

You've made me realise that the people most likely to get called “gammon” whether rightly or wrongly are the ones endlessly bleating about “free speech,” “you can’t say anything anymore,” “everything’s gone woke,” “get everyone out of my country,” “I don’t like all this new language.”

Then, the moment there’s a single term to describe that exact behaviour, their poor little feelings are suddenly hurt. That’s the irony: they demand everyone else toughen up about language while being completely blind to the impact their own racist tirades have on everyone around them.

That's as you say: fascinating!

kalevalaa · 31/08/2025 17:23

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 16:59

Yep used by lefty champagne socialists. They truly believe they are superior to the boring white working class who in their mind need to be dehumanised, silenced and ridiculed. These people really should look in the mirror. I could imagine Starmer using such words in the same way that Gordon Brown looked down on the working class.

But Esme and Phoebe will definitely expect Lee and Darren to be on the front-lines defending them, should WW3 breakout.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 17:24

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2025 17:06

That’s a hell of a chip you’ve got on your shoulder.

Yes I get pissed off regularly. I don't think it's clever to describe white working class as gammons. I don't like it when people try and tell others that it's no big deal and to suck it up.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 17:29

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 17:22

Thank you, actually, you’ve kind of proved my point for me.

You've made me realise that the people most likely to get called “gammon” whether rightly or wrongly are the ones endlessly bleating about “free speech,” “you can’t say anything anymore,” “everything’s gone woke,” “get everyone out of my country,” “I don’t like all this new language.”

Then, the moment there’s a single term to describe that exact behaviour, their poor little feelings are suddenly hurt. That’s the irony: they demand everyone else toughen up about language while being completely blind to the impact their own racist tirades have on everyone around them.

That's as you say: fascinating!

I don't know why you find it fascinating. It's the double standards and hypocrisy. The people being called gammon know very well that if they used a similar slur towards another race or religion they would be vilified and most likely prosecuted. But if you're English and White then fair game.

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2025 17:38

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 17:24

Yes I get pissed off regularly. I don't think it's clever to describe white working class as gammons. I don't like it when people try and tell others that it's no big deal and to suck it up.

I think you’ll find it was first applied to old Etonian, Cameron. Still pissed off?

IneedAniffler · 31/08/2025 17:39

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 17:29

I don't know why you find it fascinating. It's the double standards and hypocrisy. The people being called gammon know very well that if they used a similar slur towards another race or religion they would be vilified and most likely prosecuted. But if you're English and White then fair game.

It’s not “fair game” though, is it? People are in uproar about the word — including you right now. It’s actually hard to call someone a “gammon” without immediately being called a racist, so I’d say the scales are pretty even.
And for the record, I do agree with you that there’s hypocrisy involved. I’m just observing it. It’s a tale as old as time: the bully dishes it out relentlessly, but the moment they get a taste of their own medicine, they suddenly recast themselves as the victim.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2025 17:41

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2025 17:38

I think you’ll find it was first applied to old Etonian, Cameron. Still pissed off?

Last time I checked Cameron is white, so yes.

mrshoho · 31/08/2025 17:42

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2025 17:38

I think you’ll find it was first applied to old Etonian, Cameron. Still pissed off?

Yes I am. And who was it that said it?

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