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To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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Whatafustercluck · 26/08/2025 18:44

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

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llizzie · 28/08/2025 18:58

IneedAniffler · 28/08/2025 18:48

oh my god, here you go again. I really think you must be a small child.

“Hitler introduced fascism to the world.”

No, he didn’t. Mussolini and the Fasci di Combattimento (Italy, 1919) preceded that, plus many more. Hitler copied and radicalised it. Calling Hitler the inventor of fascism is GCSE-level wrong.

“From 1920 he… got rid of the Chancellor… passed a law so he couldn’t be opposed or voted out.”

Basic timeline failure. Hitler was appointed Chancellor in January 1933. He then smashed democracy with the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act (March 1933), followed by the Night of the Long Knives (1934) and merging the presidency with the chancellorship after Hindenburg’s death. It wasn’t one magic “can’t oppose me” law; it was a systematic destruction of institutions.

“Long before WW2 he had already killed the mentally and physically disabled… children in homes died of ‘measles’… thousands sterilised.”

Half-remembered truth, mangled. The Nazis passed the Sterilisation Law (1933) and later launched Aktion T4 (1939)—the organised murder of disabled people by gas, injection and starvation. Death certificates were falsified (“pneumonia,” not measles). They weren’t just left to catch a disease; they were deliberately killed.

“That, folks, is what fascism means: he killed anyone he didn’t like, race by race… like Crufts.”

Fascism is not “killing whoever you dislike” and comparing genocide to Crufts is grotesque. Serious definition: authoritarian ultranationalism, a cult of the leader, myths of national rebirth, paramilitarism/violence, and suppression of opposition while scapegoating minorities. That’s the framework scholars use; not your cartoon version.

Your earlier detour about the Taliban/Iran = ‘fascism’
Different ideology. The Taliban and Iran are theocratic regimes—brutal, misogynistic, yes—but not fascist in the scholarly sense. Slapping the word “fascism” on any cruelty is lazy and muddies everything.

This post is a grab-bag of false timelines, made-up definitions, and war-movie myths. Hitler didn’t invent fascism; fascism isn’t “Crufts with humans”; Britain didn’t fight for a piece of cloth; and yes, fascist movements have flown British flags too. If you want to talk about fascism, start with facts.

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I am right. You don't understand fascism.

JHound · 28/08/2025 19:00

llizzie · 28/08/2025 18:58

I am right. You don't understand fascism.

They seemed to have explained it exceptionally well with actual facts?

LakieLady · 28/08/2025 19:04

kistanbul · 27/08/2025 04:31

I hope it’s a big protest. We’ve never been a country that waves flags en mass and celebrates graffiti. We’re marching for our national values. To show that the British are as we’ve always been - kind, fair and calm. Not panicking little flag obsessive driven mad by too much social media.

After a summer of the press predicting riots, all I see are small groups of sad people - I know they say there’s a crowd but four is hardly a riot.

Id like to march to show who we really are as a nation.

I'd like it to be as big as the march against the Iraq War in 2003, and as peaceful.

The police have been pretty good at keeping the two factions apart at the anti-racist demos this year, and the Robinson event seems to be being publicised as a rally, not a march.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 28/08/2025 19:07

Thing is, thanks to the failures of neo liberalism and end stage capitalism fascists regimes can become appealing if it promises sweeties to the right factions.

It's a very very big picture issue.

LakieLady · 28/08/2025 19:11

Freysimo · 27/08/2025 08:01

I agree. I wonder who are the backers of Stand Up to Racism? It seems well organised with printed plackards and posters, unlike the "fascist" side with homexmade stuff.

They have a lot of trade union backing, eg Unite, Communication Workers , Fire Brigade, NEU etc.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 28/08/2025 19:12

Also see the Stanford Prison experiment if you doubt that people wouldn't go "that far" in the right circumstances.

llizzie · 28/08/2025 19:15

JHound · 28/08/2025 13:50

@llizzie

Genuine asylum seekers have a legal route to the UK, which is well known.

Britain has closed almost all legal asylum routes except for Ukranians.

www.amnesty.org.uk/resources/truth-about-safe-and-legal-routes#:~:text=And%20the%20partners%20and%20children,other%20countries%20asylum%20from%20persecution.”

That is not what the discussion was on the TV news last night. It is what the government might be saying because they don't have the wherewithal to stop the boats as they promised.

They claimed to be able to process the illegal immigrants faster. They did. They let them all in.

The hole they dug is getting deeper and no one has a ladder to get them out.

LakieLady · 28/08/2025 19:22

Jumpingthruhoops · 27/08/2025 19:39

Now you mention it, I've certainly heard lots of people suggesting we put our homeless up in hotels like The Brittania, so you're definitely onto something here...

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Councils were putting homeless people and families up in hotels when I started working in homelessness 18 years ago, and they're still doing it now.

There are hotels in a couple of south coast towns that aren't used for anything else.

It's not a new idea.

Serpentstooth · 28/08/2025 19:24

Oh this thread is wearing. Fascists who don't know the meaning of fascism attempting to explain it, justify it and say they're not really it, Yaxley Lennon being such a nice amiable family guy despite knocking a man to the floor and kicking him in the head. Evidenced by all news broadcasts, several times, when he did this.The historical revisionism is remarkable and concerning. I'm surprised David Irving hasn't been resurrected in support of the somewhat muddled justifications wheeled out. Maybe they're saving him for later developments. And gammon? Flailing around to claim a 'racist' term for themselves to whinge about? It's laughable. And, claimants, it's not racist. It's a common or garden insult. It's meant to be and is frequently well-deserved.

LakieLady · 28/08/2025 19:25

Teanbiscuits33 · 27/08/2025 23:02

It is not illegal to seek asylum which is what these people are doing. Reform have deliberately used the term ‘’illegal immigrant’’ to confuse the issue and justify the dehumanisation of these minority groups.

It is not illegal to enter the country via the channel, no matter what they tell you. You have to be on British soil to claim asylum, and they cannot get a flight because they would need a tourism visa which would make them ineligible to apply for asylum. ‘’Illegal immigrants’’ are those who overstay their visas, usually student visas, or those who enter the country and don’t present themselves to the home office.

This point has been made ion every single thread I've seen where immigration has been an issue.

People are either struggling to grasp it or wilfully ignoring it.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 28/08/2025 19:27

LakieLady · 28/08/2025 19:22

Councils were putting homeless people and families up in hotels when I started working in homelessness 18 years ago, and they're still doing it now.

There are hotels in a couple of south coast towns that aren't used for anything else.

It's not a new idea.

And it's a good idea, until corporations running said hotels / B&Bs bilk the local authorities for far higher "rent" than the occupants would have paid / been paid to possibly stay in their previous accommodation.

Housing being treated as assets / investments rather than, well housing is a huge part of the economic shitshow we're currently in. IMO.

llizzie · 28/08/2025 19:27

IneedAniffler ·

So based on your post, who would you say best describes a fascist in Britain today?

Listing all those definitions does not equate with anything to do with standing outside with banners opposing British taxpayers who are objecting to the billions being spent by the government on immigrants because they were daft enough to throw out the Rwanda deterrent before Starmer even had a cabinet to discuss it. There wasn't a discussion in no 10 or Parliament about the scheme. He did that unilaterally. When he appointed a cabinet, they could hardly go against what their leader did without consulting them.

Starmer did all that on his own, announced changes even before he knew how many MPs he had and who they were. He made announcements on the counting room floor when he heard he had won.

The taxpayer has the right to demonstrate against where their taxes and being spent and on whom. Why anyone would object to that is beyond me, unless all those who object are on UC and don't pay tax.

What have we got, a socialist government? What kind of socialism? The socialism of fascism or the socialism of communism? Either one is not acceptable to the taxpayer. The government is entrusted with our hard earned money to spend it wisely, and they are not doing that at the moment.

...and you have the gall to say that the British taxpayers are fascists because they do not want their taxes spent on illegal people, but on needy British citizens.

Who do you think is a fascist leader today? The government or the taxpayer who pays the government and elects them?

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 19:29

llizzie · 28/08/2025 19:27

IneedAniffler ·

So based on your post, who would you say best describes a fascist in Britain today?

Listing all those definitions does not equate with anything to do with standing outside with banners opposing British taxpayers who are objecting to the billions being spent by the government on immigrants because they were daft enough to throw out the Rwanda deterrent before Starmer even had a cabinet to discuss it. There wasn't a discussion in no 10 or Parliament about the scheme. He did that unilaterally. When he appointed a cabinet, they could hardly go against what their leader did without consulting them.

Starmer did all that on his own, announced changes even before he knew how many MPs he had and who they were. He made announcements on the counting room floor when he heard he had won.

The taxpayer has the right to demonstrate against where their taxes and being spent and on whom. Why anyone would object to that is beyond me, unless all those who object are on UC and don't pay tax.

What have we got, a socialist government? What kind of socialism? The socialism of fascism or the socialism of communism? Either one is not acceptable to the taxpayer. The government is entrusted with our hard earned money to spend it wisely, and they are not doing that at the moment.

...and you have the gall to say that the British taxpayers are fascists because they do not want their taxes spent on illegal people, but on needy British citizens.

Who do you think is a fascist leader today? The government or the taxpayer who pays the government and elects them?

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It was in the manifesto. People voted for it. Binning Rwanda was a major factor in my voting Labour. Do you seriously think a vote in the commons would have been to continue with it?

Somerford · 28/08/2025 19:31

Serpentstooth · 28/08/2025 19:24

Oh this thread is wearing. Fascists who don't know the meaning of fascism attempting to explain it, justify it and say they're not really it, Yaxley Lennon being such a nice amiable family guy despite knocking a man to the floor and kicking him in the head. Evidenced by all news broadcasts, several times, when he did this.The historical revisionism is remarkable and concerning. I'm surprised David Irving hasn't been resurrected in support of the somewhat muddled justifications wheeled out. Maybe they're saving him for later developments. And gammon? Flailing around to claim a 'racist' term for themselves to whinge about? It's laughable. And, claimants, it's not racist. It's a common or garden insult. It's meant to be and is frequently well-deserved.

Ok Karen

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 19:32

Somerford · 28/08/2025 19:31

Ok Karen

That was both unnecessary and feeble.

Somerford · 28/08/2025 19:37

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 19:32

That was both unnecessary and feeble.

If she's happy to justify calling people gammons, she can accept being called a Karen

IneedAniffler · 28/08/2025 19:37

llizzie · 28/08/2025 19:27

IneedAniffler ·

So based on your post, who would you say best describes a fascist in Britain today?

Listing all those definitions does not equate with anything to do with standing outside with banners opposing British taxpayers who are objecting to the billions being spent by the government on immigrants because they were daft enough to throw out the Rwanda deterrent before Starmer even had a cabinet to discuss it. There wasn't a discussion in no 10 or Parliament about the scheme. He did that unilaterally. When he appointed a cabinet, they could hardly go against what their leader did without consulting them.

Starmer did all that on his own, announced changes even before he knew how many MPs he had and who they were. He made announcements on the counting room floor when he heard he had won.

The taxpayer has the right to demonstrate against where their taxes and being spent and on whom. Why anyone would object to that is beyond me, unless all those who object are on UC and don't pay tax.

What have we got, a socialist government? What kind of socialism? The socialism of fascism or the socialism of communism? Either one is not acceptable to the taxpayer. The government is entrusted with our hard earned money to spend it wisely, and they are not doing that at the moment.

...and you have the gall to say that the British taxpayers are fascists because they do not want their taxes spent on illegal people, but on needy British citizens.

Who do you think is a fascist leader today? The government or the taxpayer who pays the government and elects them?

Edited

If you actually read what I’ve written carefully, you’ll notice I haven’t accused anyone in particular of being a fascist. What I’ve done is point out that a lot of the posts here are using the word “fascism” totally incorrectly, and I’ve set out to make clear what fascism actually is. That’s not an accusation, that’s just historical and political accuracy.

So before throwing outrage around, maybe take a moment to recognise that correcting sloppy definitions is not the same thing as calling everyone a fascist. Fascism has a very specific meaning, and if nothing else, I hope you’ve grasped that by now.

JaneEyre40 · 28/08/2025 19:39

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 26/08/2025 23:28

Indeed

Uh huh....agreed. Bloody scary.

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 19:40

Somerford · 28/08/2025 19:37

If she's happy to justify calling people gammons, she can accept being called a Karen

I was always taught two wrongs don’t make a right.

Somerford · 28/08/2025 19:41

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 19:40

I was always taught two wrongs don’t make a right.

Glad you accept that it's wrong to use insults and slurs, such as Gammons. That was the point.

rubicustellitall · 28/08/2025 19:42

I have just learned I am a knuckle dragging goon..thats made my day! I only wish my disabilities allowed me to drag my knuckles anywhere! And we wonder why this country is like it is ..I shall try to endeavour to get my WI group to end with a rousing chorus with that well known ditty
"Oh Tommy Tommy
Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson"
Dear me..how uneducated do you have to be?

BIossomtoes · 28/08/2025 19:45

Somerford · 28/08/2025 19:41

Glad you accept that it's wrong to use insults and slurs, such as Gammons. That was the point.

🙄

Serpentstooth · 28/08/2025 19:46

Quite right too Blossomtoes thank you for your intervention but don't feed it.. I've been called worse by experts and I expect I will be again. But not tonight, hopefully, time to watch Masterchef.

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