To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

The mass immigration of the last twenty years is not organic cultural change by any stretch, is it?

In any case, I have absolutely no interest in debating this with you. You’re quite obviously incapable of it without resorting to patronising suggestions like ‘pick up a book’ and suggesting people are poorly educated should they disagree with you.

It’s just the typical, boring leftist diatribe. So predictable, and the reason you’re now on the losing side of the battle. People have had enough of your style of hate-filled, angry, mean-spirited attacks and won’t tolerate being hectored like this any more. Now, they just pity you and ignore. You don’t wish this country well or wish it to succeed; never mind, you’re vastly outnumbered by those that do.

Britain was the inventor of modernity. We’ve given so much to the world and it’s a marvel that so many talented, creative, intelligent people called these islands home. The world would be infinitely poorer without us having played our part in it.

The demonstration at the weekend is to protest against the current situation with immigration. It’s not a Reform convention. Of course, Reform supporters will be well represented, but that’s not the point.

I have some issues with Reform, and wouldn’t go to an event celebrating it, but I also have issues with current immigration policy… You’re drawing a false equivalence.

Well if you think that most people would say I’m mentally deranged for having a discussion then I think it’s you that needs help for your mental health, not me. Bloody hell, it doesn’t take much for you to get very angry there, did it? So very easily emotionally triggered, which is in line with research that has been done on people who follow your ideology. If you’re easily triggered, you’re extremely easy to manipulate because you form opinions based on emotions, not rationality.

Colonisation which you seem to denigrate

I was pointing out that the colonisation of the British Isles by the Romans was very positive. However, I did say that if you had an issue with this you could protest outside the Italian Embassy ( and you could ask for reparation while you were at it)

Actually, with respect Menopausal, I think most sane people can see the similarities.

When people roll their eyes at comparisons to fascism, it’s usually because they think “Hitler = death camps” and therefore “Britain isn’t doing that, so it can’t be fascism.”

The Nazi Party in the 1920s–30s:

• Began as a nationalist protest movement (the “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”), presenting itself as the voice of the “ordinary German” betrayed by elites.
• Obsessed with borders, “true” national identity, and portraying immigrants/minorities (especially Jews) as the cause of social and economic problems.
• Used flags, patriotic imagery, and stirring rhetoric about protecting the nation to rally people.
• Claimed to be defending free speech and ordinary values, while stoking resentment and undermining democracy.
• Hitler was charismatic, plain-speaking, and positioned himself as the only one who dared “say what others were afraid to say.”

Reform UK / Nigel Farage:

• Reform pitches itself as the voice of the “ordinary Brit,” betrayed by elites in Westminster and Brussels.
• Obsessed with immigration, borders, and defining who the “real British people” are. Migrants and refugees are painted as existential threats.
• Wraps itself in the Union Jack and St George’s Cross while railing against “woke elites” and “out-of-touch politicians.”
• Claims to champion “free speech” but mainly frames that around the right to attack minorities and dismiss protections.
• Farage thrives on being the “plain-speaking outsider,” endlessly telling his audience “I say what they’re all thinking but the establishment won’t let me.”

No one is saying Reform is running concentration camps. But whipping up nationalism, blaming minorities, painting themselves as the saviour of the “real nation,” and normalising exclusionary rhetoric is exactly what Adolf did. That’s exactly how he and the Nazis built their base before they had the power to implement the horrors we now remember them for.

Excellent post.

Absolutely. 👍

The mass immigration of the last twenty years is not organic cultural change by any stretch, is it?

The “cultural change” that has accompanied immigration over the last 20 years absolutely has been small scale and organic. Britain in 2025
is not massively culturally dissimilar to Britain in 2005.

But my point was it is the height of idiocy and ignorance to claim migration to the UK since 2005 resembles the Spanish and Portuguese colonisation of South America, British / French colonisation of West Africa, British colonisation of India, Japanese Imperialism in Asia etc.

Pure lunacy.

(The largest cultural shift if anything has been the importing of US cultural wars which has nothing to do with immigration.)

It’s just the typical, boring leftist diatribe.

The irony in this statement is really rather bemusing but I suspect it’s not something you would grasp.

Most of the rest of your diatribe is just strawmanning and goalpost moving. Try responding to what people have actually written. Instead of inventing things they have said to argue against.

It depends on what your definition of being a racist is. I don't want people coming into the country by boat. The only people who benefit from it are the traffickers. Does that make me a racist?

Keir Starmer and Labour spoke about taking back control of our borders in their pre election manifesto. To do that they have to stop the small boat crossings, although admittedly they're not doing a very good job.
Does that make Starmer and Labour racist?

Nonsense.

Do you believe that the minority Pakistanis rape gangs were innocent of blame ?

Sorry, what is ‘gammons’ and how would they be used to target you ?

It’s a racist term. But that’s okay, because it’s used by people who claim to be anti-racist to describe white people 😁

It reminds me of the Palestinians wanting to go back to 1948. They don't any more, at least not for now.

Who wants to go back to 1948? No NHS, no housing after the war, food rationing, an enormous debt and all the other issues in Social History.

We have to learn from history, not want to bring it back. However, there has been so much distortion of the past (probably caused by teachers with their own views impressed on school students, that there has to be some teaching of the use of words.

Hitler introduced fascism to the world. He started off after the Great War, peeved at the outcome, when the defeated Germany was made to pay the price for that war, Hitler determined to get his own back. From 1920 he already knew what he wanted to do. Soon, got rid of the Chancellor, whose position he took, and passed a law which said he could not be opposed and could not be voted out of office.

Long before the start of WW2 he had already killed the mentally and physically disabled. Almost all the children in children's' homes died of 'measles'. Thousands of disabled people were forcibly made sterile so that the diseases could not be passed on through generations. He didn't just incarcerate Jews. He incarcerated and killed any group he didn't like and want in Germany, including gypsies, Romanys.

That, folks is what fascism means. He killed anyone he didn't like, race by race. His Germany would only have people of pure race, sort of like a modern dog breeder, breeding only the best dogs to have pedigree puppies. I suppose like today's Cruft shows.

That is fascism. There is nothing like it today except the persecution of women by the Taliban and the Ayatollah.

Like terrorists now who want to control all other creeds and colours, and the women. 60 years ago muslim women were not covered up like that. It is something only seen in Saudi. Suddenly, by the end of the 1980s more and more women were seen covered up, hiding their faces, under the control of men, being denied education, being denied jobs because they went through a monthly ''uncleanness'' and men could not risk them working at certain days of the month. They were married off as soon as puberty kicked in.

The Taliban now even denies women windows in their houses so that the men do not have to see them. They cannot go out in the sun and get the benefits of sunlight. They cannot go out unless a male child or adult is with them. Can you imaging a pregnant Afghan woman coping with misery and stress, inhumane rules, giving birth to babies with rickets because they are denied benefits of vitamins and sunshine?

The Taliban has other measures of forcing women to be subjugated under men. They openly admit to stoning and lashing women in public arenas, like a human sacrifice ceremony.

Women are incarcerated in prisons in Iran for showing a lock of hair.

THAT, folks, is fascism, and those people who stand outside the hotels with banners saying ''help the immigrants'' ''let them all in'' ''we welcome immigrants'' ''we should be tolerant and love them'' and similar banners, should think about what they are doing.

The are supporting single men of maritable and military age who sexually assault your girls and women, because they are taught that any woman who shows a bit of flesh must be prostitutes, because they are not covered up like muslim women.

The freedom of women in the west is imprinting on muslim women who want to be as free as their men.

That is fascism.

I can't go as DH already has a birthday thing on and I'm alone with DD that day. It's worth checking Facebook, Instagram and Eventbrite to see if there's a group for attendees in your region. They're usually set up for big protests and lots of people meet at their local stations and travel down together x

It’s a term coined by white people to describe Middle aged, overweight bald men who are easily emotionally triggered and rant so much about ‘wanting ARE Cuntry back!!!’ (the stereotypical fragile reform voter), that they go red in face and look like a joint of gammon. To compare that as the same as the systemic racism and white supremacy that is directed towards brown people is a false equivalence.

My local Stand Up to Racism group is mostly middle-aged and older. I don't think there are many under 40 in it.

They're also mostly professional, middle-class types.

It’s not a term to describe yt people.

oh my god, here you go again. I really think you must be a small child.

“Hitler introduced fascism to the world.”

No, he didn’t. Mussolini and the Fasci di Combattimento (Italy, 1919) preceded that, plus many more. Hitler copied and radicalised it. Calling Hitler the inventor of fascism is GCSE-level wrong.

“From 1920 he… got rid of the Chancellor… passed a law so he couldn’t be opposed or voted out.”

Basic timeline failure. Hitler was appointed Chancellor in January 1933. He then smashed democracy with the Reichstag Fire Decree and the Enabling Act (March 1933), followed by the Night of the Long Knives (1934) and merging the presidency with the chancellorship after Hindenburg’s death. It wasn’t one magic “can’t oppose me” law; it was a systematic destruction of institutions.

“Long before WW2 he had already killed the mentally and physically disabled… children in homes died of ‘measles’… thousands sterilised.”

Half-remembered truth, mangled. The Nazis passed the Sterilisation Law (1933) and later launched Aktion T4 (1939)—the organised murder of disabled people by gas, injection and starvation. Death certificates were falsified (“pneumonia,” not measles). They weren’t just left to catch a disease; they were deliberately killed.

“That, folks, is what fascism means: he killed anyone he didn’t like, race by race… like Crufts.”

Fascism is not “killing whoever you dislike” and comparing genocide to Crufts is grotesque. Serious definition: authoritarian ultranationalism, a cult of the leader, myths of national rebirth, paramilitarism/violence, and suppression of opposition while scapegoating minorities. That’s the framework scholars use; not your cartoon version.

Your earlier detour about the Taliban/Iran = ‘fascism’
Different ideology. The Taliban and Iran are theocratic regimes—brutal, misogynistic, yes—but not fascist in the scholarly sense. Slapping the word “fascism” on any cruelty is lazy and muddies everything.

This post is a grab-bag of false timelines, made-up definitions, and war-movie myths. Hitler didn’t invent fascism; fascism isn’t “Crufts with humans”; Britain didn’t fight for a piece of cloth; and yes, fascist movements have flown British flags too. If you want to talk about fascism, start with facts.

If you go to the Stand Up To Racism website, there's a page where contact details for local groups are listed.

You can book transport with them and all travel together, although my local group just tends to meet at the station as we're only an hour from London. They all look out for each other on the march, too.

I'm hoping to go on the next one, but a lot depends on how my arthritic knees are on the day.

You keep shouting about “fascism” but it’s painfully obvious you don’t actually know what fascism is. Fascism isn’t a catch-all word for terrorism, misogyny, or religious fundamentalism. It’s not “anything bad I don’t like.” Fascism is a political ideology: authoritarian ultranationalism, a cult of the leader, violent suppression of opposition, scapegoating minorities, and glorifying the nation through myths of purity and rebirth. That’s Mussolini’s Italy, Hitler’s Germany, Franco’s Spain, and Oswald Mosley here in Britain. That’s what the word means.

When you talk about the Taliban or Iran, you’re describing religious theocracy and misogyny, which are horrific, but not fascism. When you throw in the Manchester bombing or Boston bombing, that’s Islamist terrorism — again, not fascism. Lumping all these things together just shows you don’t understand the word you’re using.

And here’s the irony: fascists throughout history have always dressed their rhetoric up in exactly the language you’re using now — “we’re just defending our women and children, we’re protecting our way of life from outsiders, we’re standing up for ordinary people against invaders.” That is literally the fascist playbook.

Supporting refugees and migrants is not “encouraging fascism.” But whipping up fear of minorities, branding all migrants as rapists or terrorists, and demanding loyalty to flag and nation while calling compassion treason? That’s much, much closer to fascist rhetoric than anything the people outside hotels with banners are doing.

So before you declare yourself “appalled” that others don’t recognise fascism, take a hard look at your own words. You’re not describing fascism — you’re echoing it.

Hitler did not introduce fascism to the world.
It was also quite popular across Europe at the time.

Honestly, I think Farage and his ilk are engaged in very calculated political edgeplay and the DARVO being used to make sure we'll never know the safe word is breathtaking.

We have all the lessons of history but we're making a national sport of denying and ignoring them, while the puppet masters fill their coffers and build bunkers.

Bonkers.

Well said.

Thanks for this info.

I cannot believe my grandparents had to deal with this and here I am dealing with the f*cking same.