To be devasted the roundabout in my town has a crappy 'flag' painted on?

[Liesmorelies]

I nearly threw up when I saw it this morning - what a horrible shock.

It's a very small town in the Midlands near a city. Yes it's ex-mining but does reasonable ok now, not deprived eg no contextual offers for my dc for uni, but not massively desirable or trendy. Has a Labour MP now but hasn't always in recent years. Voted for Brexit but only just. In 2019 more people voted against Tories AND Brexit than for them - split the vote so we still got a Tory, but still.

In other words, I did not expect this. It's horrible - looks ugly and badly done even before you get started on the thinking behind it. AIBU to ring the council on Tuesday and ask when they are going to deal with this vandalism?

I did a four hour round-trip on the motorway today too and the amount of flags on bridges was shocking - just make it stop.

But mass immigration into the country is making those things a hell of a lot worse.

What it is undoubtedly doing is affecting certain areas disproportionately. We are allowing in many people where we have no understanding of who they are, many do not understand or agree with our societal norms and values.

We haveour own problems to deal with without importing more from another country. Using up our resources. Time and energy. The men of fighting age should be sent back to fight for changes in their own country? Just like generations did here, no man of fighting age should be in an immigrant here if they come from a country in need of change - they should be there fighting to make the country a good place to live

Yes, as I said above my African born wife is genuinely intimidated by the grafittied flag yards from our home.

Are you really that dense? Or over simplifying it because it suits your narrative?

You know full well that spray painting the flag on roundabouts is nothing about patriotism, it’s about racism. How many Spanish flags do you see spray painted on their roads?!

This is a VERY slippery slope. It’s ugly, expensive (who do you think will be paying for the cleaning?) and the real meaning is “f* off non-brits” despite us thinking we can emigrate anywhere in the world. We’re a nation of hypocrites.

Im worried what this means for people. Minority groups are reporting increasing racism. In a world that we’ve worked so hard and sacrificed for liberalism and acceptance, to go back like this is sickening.

I feel sick too OP. Anyone who has experienced hostility due to their demographics will be feeling the same. This isn’t the country I want my (white British) kids to be living in. I’m so proud to be British and want it used to stand for. I’m shocked the public really want to see a backwards trend where we no longer care about anyone else. It’s really sad.

I think we need more of it, we need to reclaim the national flag from the racists. Put it up everywhere, have shops proudly fly it outside their business like the Americans do with their flag.

Make it so that if the racists want a flag so that they have something to congregate around it's not our flag but something else so we can see it and avoid.

Calm down.

Absolutely sod all. Occasionally escort them back to their nice hotel,

how is it in that nice area where you have bought yourself out of being faced with the real face of immigration?

Absolutely sod all. Occasionally escort them back to their nice hotel,

how is it in that nice area where you have bought yourself out of being faced with the real face of immigration?

Insulting? Or calling people out on their lack of action all while pretending to care?

One would wonder why they have never heard of it given that they care so much about women and girls and are trying to uncover hidden things but never ones that hide the white man's crimes eh?

You mean the ones that is all over the internet, that has been to court and MPs have spoken about. Here, shame you never cared before when there was a cover up - only when there were brown people involved.

Also why are white grooming gangs called a different name if not to cover it up? I have always wondered why they are not called the same thing when the men are white?

Here you go - covering up the policy on letting rapists go free!

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1194750642532708353

What about escorting the white masturbaters back to their stations in cuffs? Do they just ignore the white ones doing it?

It's just wilful ignorance at this point.
"Calm down" is all you have to say to that?

Surely racists use Sainsbury's and Shell petrol stations ergo funding them.

Let's all boycott them too so everyone knows we are not racist.

What to your pointless post?

Yes

Well it doesn’t seem to be such an issue. But you seem to think they should arrest white men not immigrants. Why?

No, to the person raising concerns at ignorance that you quoted, all you could say was "calm down" to them.

No, willfully missing the point again? It's the mass generalisation that it's always migrants (and that you never get white men doing it which is what was said upthread) which is just utter bullshit.
That's what people are objecting to.

i read your message and you hit the nail on the head. It’s unpleasant and glow in the dark obvious when you have a multi-ethnic family and see both sides of the coin at once

Are you capable of having a reasonable conversation with anyone on this thread that has a different perspective to you without twisting what they say to suit your predetermined agenda?
I ask because I'm not the only poster that you've done this to onthis thread.
Since your unwilling or unable to have an honest discussion about the problems in the uk and want to throw unevidenced accusations about I'm not going to engage with you further

But presumably she has chosen to live here and fully integrated into English life. so the English flag is her flag now. So why is she intimidated by a drawing of her flag?

But presumably she has chosen to live here and fully integrated into English life. so the English flag is her flag now. So why is she intimidated by a drawing of her flag?

But you’re missing the point. No one is saying that there are no British criminals, they are objecting to taking on other country’s criminals, many of who don’t understand our norms and values and that they are often dealt with much more leniently, surely that is obvious

Oh I think they should deal with them all but you said you only ring the police over the brown ones so you have those covered for some reason.

Ah yes it isn;t an issue if you support it is it? So why do you?

Oh I can crack on with the DM. I'll wait.

It’s not about whether people have or haven’t integrated - anyone non-white is a target in this environment. My children are born here, go to school here, are culturally entirely British, but because they are not white, they are on the receiving end of racism, especially my teenage son. He is not put through an integration test first, before people decide whether to give him bother or not, and neither will the PP’s wife

Also, it is not a requirement to “fully integrate” if you move somewhere - as British expats have been proving for generations, all over the world.

Why are you deliberately choosing to misunderstand that it's not the symbol itself, it's the motivation behind the symbol?
Sainsbury's and Shell aren't puttintg the flag up as a symbol of racism and hatred towards migrants. They are putting the flags up, probably as a commercial decision, to celebrate the UK and attract more customers.

Chavs scarwling St.George's crosses on roundabouts, or wrapping themselves in the flag whilst stood outside asylum seeker hostels screaming abuse, or as happened last year, calling for the asylum seekers inside to be burned alive, are using the same symbol to intimidate and instill fear.

Rather like my Hindu neighbour has a small swastika painted above his door. It's not because he's a Nazi! Another example of missappropriated symbols.

But then you know all this already, unless you really are thick!