To be devasted the roundabout in my town has a crappy 'flag' painted on?

[Liesmorelies]

I nearly threw up when I saw it this morning - what a horrible shock.

It's a very small town in the Midlands near a city. Yes it's ex-mining but does reasonable ok now, not deprived eg no contextual offers for my dc for uni, but not massively desirable or trendy. Has a Labour MP now but hasn't always in recent years. Voted for Brexit but only just. In 2019 more people voted against Tories AND Brexit than for them - split the vote so we still got a Tory, but still.

In other words, I did not expect this. It's horrible - looks ugly and badly done even before you get started on the thinking behind it. AIBU to ring the council on Tuesday and ask when they are going to deal with this vandalism?

I did a four hour round-trip on the motorway today too and the amount of flags on bridges was shocking - just make it stop.

You really asking that? Do you not know about the far right recent campaign Raise the Colours?

The St George flag has been ruined by the far right. They’ve appropriated it as a symbol. So sad.

YANBU. Have they painted the grass? I'd form a guerilla gardening group, dig it up and plant flowers.

You said you aren't allowed to fly your country's flag - you are allowed, on your own property.

What you mean the people who are painting crosses are not law abiding members of society. Who are so proud of their countries laws and culture? Who would have thought it...

Don’t be silly.

Where have I said that if I saw a white person walking down the street with a brown person and someone was shouting racial abuse at them that I would think they deserved it? Where are you getting that from?

The problem is how the government has tried to suppress information instead of dealing with the issue.
Pakistani Muslims make up 2.6% of the uk population yet are responsible for over 6% of sexual assaults that's shocking and a massive problem especially when their 2.6%includes women and children so what that statistic is really saying is that less than 1% of the population is responsible for over 6% of sexual assaults. The most recent crime statistics say that 25% of all sexual assaults are committed by immigrants (who btw are only 10% of the population). These are the figures that have got people asking valid questions about both Pakistani Muslim men and illegal immigrants, and instead of doing anything about it successive government's have covered it up.
The uk government have been putting illegal immigrants on bail and with criminal convictions in migrant hotels on the sly. A working group is drawing up a definition of islamaphobia that includes any mention of grooming gangs (which is a misnomer as they were really rape gangs) as hate speach. Palestinian flags are put up and left up whilst English ones are taken down. And ofcourse the weekly hate marches that claim to be pro Palestine and prevent Jews from safely getting to and from temple due to the routes the marches take.
We are constantly lectued on the evils of the British past and expected to continuously apologise for things that we didn't do (the trans Atlantic slave trade was started by Portugal, expanded by Spain and stopped by the uk). Then theres the lectures about micro aggressions by people spouting critical race theory, which btw has a core founding claim that all white people are racist (what other groups could such sweeping claims be made about).
When anyone who even raises any questions about the above are labelled as far right extremists and racist, the online safety bill is being used to suppress talk about these issues and the mainstream media aren't covering it people are left getting their information from dubious sources who push racist agendas because if its racist to ask questions then what else has been falsely labelled racist?
Add to all of this the state of the economy and rising prices, lack of housing and the crumbling infrastructure you have a powder keg waiting to go off.
The government could end all of this by having frank honest conversations, discussions and debates where the real facts can be separated from propaganda, but they won't do that, instead throw more fuel on the fire.
What all of this results in is ordinary people getting very angy joining up with real racists (as they've already been tarred with that brush), then you get the race riots and linchings.
If you want someone to blame for the rise of farrage and co blame the political classes who have at best allowed this to happen and at worst have aided and abetted it.
I am extremely concerned about what is happening in the uk. The extreme left have been allowed to take over institutions and our streets (just stop oil, insulate Britain etc) for to long whilst the centre has done nothing the push back has started and as I always feared its coming from the extreme right and the fed up put upon normal people are joining them as noone else is doing anything

You literally said it was my fault for living where I did and having 'friends' which you meant on facebook groups.

So it my fault I am being racially abused in your eyes because of where I live, not because of the racists.

Odd that you still do not hold them to account. Why are you so against calling them out and so up for blaming the victims?

Do you not have a moral bone in your body at all?

And is the patron saint of syphilis sufferers.

I live in Scotland. There are Saltire flags everywhere.
Is that xenophobic or national pride? (I'd say it was national pride)

If someone can 'almost throw up' about a flag of which they don't approve it's hardly surprising the the NHS is collapsing under mental health claims.

Perfectly said.

When you said it was my fault for living where I did as to that being the reason for me experiencing racism.

I needed to live in a better place remember. A nice place.

Maybe you need to learn to stop blaming victims and start holding racists to account. But then you would have to think racism is bad in the first place and it seems to me that you do not think that, you think walking in the street with a brown person is the bad thing.

Because it's not part of a provocatively racist campaign like Raise the Flags.

Painted on roundabouts?

When the government sees fit to allow illegal immigration at such a scale, and fails consistently to enforce its own laws, you really can’t get prissy and pearl-clutching about people hanging a few flags. We’ve bigger problems to worry about. You know - actual crimes.

Don't be silly and don't waste a GP's time.

Can I just say what a brave little soldier you are OP. It must have been awful for you to see an England flag in England. Keep your chin up. Don't worry, the left are doing all they can to make the very idea of Englishness toxic. They are teaching the people of this country to hate and reject their history and culture, and they're using mass immigration to destroy what's left of their identity. They're also doing their best to impose a new identity on people – whether they want it or not. There will always be idiots who resent having their identity taken away from them. I'm afraid that's just the world we live in. And there will always be bigots who resent having their national heroes demonised and their statues smashed. But their time is up.

(Obviously I'm referring to English people here. I'm aware that other groups are entitled to their identity. Being a good, smug little progressive, I always tell Japanese people that they must be so proud of their culture. Same when I meet Nigerians or Brazilians or Russians. I have no problem with the Mongolians erecting a huge statue of the mass murderer Genghis Khan, for example. It's only when English people talk about Shakespeare and Wordsworth and Keats and Jane Austen and Dickens and Isaac Newton and Charles Darwin that my blood boils.)

I "literally" said? Quote my post then where I said that? Do you know what literally means?

I think it’s more than fine for people to fly flags/put up bunting if they like but graffiti on a roundabout just looks trash.

They are responsible for those reported and conivcted but we both know that it is not 6% at all. We know there are many more of all ethnicities raping and being covered up. As if you think that is all that is going on just the reported ones. Not realising that almost all that happen are not reported and that the justice system is actively letting white rapists walk free - but hey that doesn't do any harm at all does it? I mean why would you ignore that if you wanted rapists held to account.

Lets be honest it is most men in most communities. Over 50% in ALL communities doing this to women and girls. Not a minority/majority. White men treat women just as badly as brown men do.

Also it is interesting you do not speak about how white crimes are covered up but then you are free to tell me why you think all white perpetrators are held to account and not brown ones? it is bullshit.

Men cover for men no matter their colour and the sooner you learn that the sooner we can hold them to account. The fact that you are doing just that speaks volumes, covering up white male crimes is wrong.

So why are you actively supporting a group that wants to cover up what white men are doing? Seems a bit hypocritcial eh that if you want transparency you side with a group full of men who abuse women and rape women and then pretend they do not.

By all means tell me how you have rallied your MP to remove the quota on rape cases.

If you cared about women and girls then you would not side with those who harm them or with a political party who is hell bent on removing women's rights and removing safety features that keep children safe. But hey Fromage loves Andrew Tate and his abuser mate McMurdock and if that is your role models and who you support then stand by them.

Siding with white rapists and abusers to call out brown rapists and abusers isn't a good look.

ALL of our problems stem from the fact we have too many people who take but don’t contribute.

Well, if that's what you really believe there's no point arguing but I struggle to see how you can ignore all the immigrants who work in our NHS and the care sector, especially. We would struggle without them. Surely you have heard or seen all the issues stemming from the attempts to limit immigration by the government, who, despite all your frothing, are trying to take action on immigration, but then the backlash from sectors telling the government that they need these people to fill vacancies. And from what I can see there is no evidence whatsoever that people from other countries are more likely to cause fatal car accidents - that's probably froth from 'a local rag for local people.'

Then there is the issue of our aging population and falling birth rate - who is going to be caring for the elderly by the time my generation get there, never mind the one after that? And who is going to be working and paying taxes to fund the pensions and the ever greater strain on other services caused by an aging population as time passes?

It's really not as simple as 'keep them out,' even if that were not an abhorrent sentiment in itself.

The use of Union Jack on dry land is perfectly correct since 1908.

'And in 1908 Parliament approved this verdict, confirming that ‘The Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag’.'
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