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To be devasted the roundabout in my town has a crappy 'flag' painted on?

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Liesmorelies · 24/08/2025 21:19

I nearly threw up when I saw it this morning - what a horrible shock.

It's a very small town in the Midlands near a city. Yes it's ex-mining but does reasonable ok now, not deprived eg no contextual offers for my dc for uni, but not massively desirable or trendy. Has a Labour MP now but hasn't always in recent years. Voted for Brexit but only just. In 2019 more people voted against Tories AND Brexit than for them - split the vote so we still got a Tory, but still.

In other words, I did not expect this. It's horrible - looks ugly and badly done even before you get started on the thinking behind it. AIBU to ring the council on Tuesday and ask when they are going to deal with this vandalism?

I did a four hour round-trip on the motorway today too and the amount of flags on bridges was shocking - just make it stop.

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TesChique · 25/08/2025 01:13

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 25/08/2025 01:10

Look at all the posters feigning patriotism and refusing to acknowledge the reason the flag was painted.

MN is supposedly full to the brim of self proclaimed 'middle class' people (despite the numerous threads about living in poverty). Therefore, given MN is clearly an accurate representation of the UK female population including an equal number of middle and working class (although I've always strongly suspected it leans more to the working class) it seems the majority of both 'middle' and 'working' classes are in favour of painting flags and agree with what it represents.

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We have poverty, remember the woman who was nearly having to give up her horse? Despite her identity as a horsewoman

Outtaxed · 25/08/2025 01:13

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Nope. This is race fuelled.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2025 01:14

I think the entitlement of the middle classes, as a pp pointed out, really comes out in this thread. You cannot have one rule for mostly working class people putting up their own national flag, for whatever reason, and another for middle class people and public organisations flying the Palestine flag, trans flag, pride flag, Ukraine flag etc. It’s simply not going to fly, pardon the pun. Either all divisive flags are banned, or not.

the5thgoldengirl · 25/08/2025 01:15

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TesChique · 25/08/2025 01:15

Velmy · 25/08/2025 01:13

You are allowed to be proud of being English. Nobody has ever suggested otherwise, or tried to stop anyone being proud of being English.

Do you have any examples?

You go outside the door

Your neighbour has a sign in the window

"I am proud to be british" - thats it, no more l, no less.

Whats your first thiught? "How nice he is exercising his right to be proud to be british, i have no problem with this, nor shoukd anyone else, in fact i dont see why anyone woukd?"

Do me a FAVOUR

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:16

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 00:43

What a load of bollocks. It's like you've never heard of the grooming/rape gangs which is still very much on people minds as there still hasn't been an enquiry ( and they'd have been one years ago if it was white gangs preying on Asian girls). There have also been racist murders of white people, they just don't get publicity as doesn't fit the agenda.

I mean imagine thinking brown kids are safe with brown paedos! That is what we are told to believe right?

Nope we as a society are ignoring those brown and black victims from the brown paedos because they are brown.

Shameful right?

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:16

Velmy · 25/08/2025 01:09

Well that's quite the strawman isn't it!

I'm well aware of all the things you mention, particularly the grooming gangs as I worked in a role heavily involved in combating online child abuse in the 00s. So believe me, I know far more than I'd like to about that particular issue.

I'm not at all sure what that, or racist crimes against white people, has to do with anything I said though. I certainly didn't say anything to suggest that non-whites don't commit crimes against white people, or that white people are never the victims of racially motivated crime...you appear to have come to that conclusion off your own back.

For clarity - I think the authorities' failures in tackling certain grooming gangs for fear of appearing racist is one of the biggest derelictions of duty my lifetime. And yes, I'm obviously aware that white people can be the victims of racist crimes.

If you could please explain what any of that has to with the post you replied to, I'll happily respond.

Apologies if I misunderstood your post, it seemed to be saying that white people have nothing to complain about because "privilege". I think the rape gangs are the worst thing to happen in my lifetime (and probably the most racist in our country's history) and only really found out the details after Elons tweets earlier in the year which totally shocked me.

Plantatreetoday · 25/08/2025 01:17

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 00:02

So why were they not up before if such people were strong patriots?

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Exactly
The current wave of flags flying everywhere and painting on roundabouts and zebra crossings has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with racism and intimidation

The flag has been demonised by the far right and anti immigration mob.

I hope those responsible for vandalism are made to pay for the cost to the tax payer of removing them from public property and the huge clean up job required

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:19

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:16

I mean imagine thinking brown kids are safe with brown paedos! That is what we are told to believe right?

Nope we as a society are ignoring those brown and black victims from the brown paedos because they are brown.

Shameful right?

No idea what you're talking about.

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:19

Velmy · 25/08/2025 01:09

Well that's quite the strawman isn't it!

I'm well aware of all the things you mention, particularly the grooming gangs as I worked in a role heavily involved in combating online child abuse in the 00s. So believe me, I know far more than I'd like to about that particular issue.

I'm not at all sure what that, or racist crimes against white people, has to do with anything I said though. I certainly didn't say anything to suggest that non-whites don't commit crimes against white people, or that white people are never the victims of racially motivated crime...you appear to have come to that conclusion off your own back.

For clarity - I think the authorities' failures in tackling certain grooming gangs for fear of appearing racist is one of the biggest derelictions of duty my lifetime. And yes, I'm obviously aware that white people can be the victims of racist crimes.

If you could please explain what any of that has to with the post you replied to, I'll happily respond.

So it is racially motivated when these muslim grooming gangs raped their own kids and those in their own communities that we as a proud society have ignored?

Absolutely it is a dereliction of duty to say that muslim gangs are safe around muslim kids and ignore muslim victims of these gangs.

Pieceofpurplesky · 25/08/2025 01:19

It's the intent behind the 'raising the colours' that is worrying. Anyone with half a brain knows it is about 'illegals'. It's not about patriotism, which is being proud of your country, it's about hatred of people who are not white.

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:20

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:19

No idea what you're talking about.

The grooming gangs that raped within their own communities - but hey they only raped white kids, right?

Wrong! We as a society have ignored the brown victims - not sure why? I can hazard a guess though.

What do you reckon is the reason why muslim victims of grooming gangs are being ignored?

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 25/08/2025 01:23

TesChique · 25/08/2025 01:13

We have poverty, remember the woman who was nearly having to give up her horse? Despite her identity as a horsewoman

I remember the women who don't eat food because it was her or her kids, the women who frequent food banks, the women who are reported to social services, the women whose 12 year old daughters are having sex, the women who are on benefits, the women living in council flats, the women who are single mothers working minimum paid jobs who can't make things meet, the women whose summer holiday is a long weekend or a week in a caravan in the UK, the women who haven't had a holiday in years.
Yes there is poverty aplenty on MN and it is crass to make light of the many many women who post here.

MN is clearly represented by as many 'working' class as self proclaimed 'middle' class women.

Painting flags is race fuelled. Everyone knows this even if they fail to acknowledge it.

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:24

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:20

The grooming gangs that raped within their own communities - but hey they only raped white kids, right?

Wrong! We as a society have ignored the brown victims - not sure why? I can hazard a guess though.

What do you reckon is the reason why muslim victims of grooming gangs are being ignored?

Well I think the authorities are scared of Muslims - that is reflecting in policing too including the riots last year when Muslims attacked White people and were told to hide their weapons in a mosque, very scary and of course part of the backlash against the boats.

Velmy · 25/08/2025 01:24

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 25/08/2025 01:10

Look at all the posters feigning patriotism and refusing to acknowledge the reason the flag was painted.

MN is supposedly full to the brim of self proclaimed 'middle class' people (despite the numerous threads about living in poverty). Therefore, given MN is clearly an accurate representation of the UK female population including an equal number of middle and working class (although I've always strongly suspected it leans more to the working class) it seems the majority of both 'middle' and 'working' classes are in favour of painting flags and agree with what it represents.

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I'm not suggesting that a chunk of middle class people don't agree with what's going on.

But anecdotally, I'm not seeing middle class people on my socials being openly vocal about it online (more risk socially, or professionally?) and it doesn't appear to be middle class people out there painting/hanging flags on private roads.

I wouldn't base anything on guesses about MN users; I imagine half the people on here are telling fibs 😅

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:26

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:24

Well I think the authorities are scared of Muslims - that is reflecting in policing too including the riots last year when Muslims attacked White people and were told to hide their weapons in a mosque, very scary and of course part of the backlash against the boats.

These are girls not men. Authorities are not scared of muslim girls. They are not providing the means for these girls to report, they are ignoring their cries to be heard.

The boats came after the muslim gangs started raping the girls.

Plantatreetoday · 25/08/2025 01:30

MistressoftheDarkSide · 25/08/2025 01:08

Interesting that no-one has explained their opinion of or tried to explain away this incident which is doing the rounds of social media.

Very interesting.

I don’t do social media
( just MNet )

Shesamaneater · 25/08/2025 01:31

Sounds much like my village OP, we also live near a city, and our main round-a-bout has a flag painted on it. I didnt really understand why until today.. tbh I thought it was football related.. but it looks Bladdy awful. Aside from the blatant racism it shows, it just looks so fkn ugly and tacky. It’s badly painted on for a start, it’s a real shame as our area is considered one of the most beautiful places in the UK.

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:31

Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:26

These are girls not men. Authorities are not scared of muslim girls. They are not providing the means for these girls to report, they are ignoring their cries to be heard.

The boats came after the muslim gangs started raping the girls.

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Yes I know, of course there not afraid of girls or women they're scared of confronting the Muslim men and are willing to throw women and girls of all races under the bus (as usual we come last). Alot of men on the boats come from countries dangerous for women that the authorities warn women against visiting (eg Afghanistan) whilst letting men from those countries run free in our communities even though men from those countries commit many more sex and violent crimes per capita. That is why women have been protesting against the hotels.

WatermelonGatorJerky · 25/08/2025 01:31

Just got back from America and loved seeing the Stars and Stripes flown everywhere. Cars, houses, gardens, tourist attractions, government buildings, clothing, shoes even.

It really is quite beautiful and amazing. The pride people have for their homeland is very special and therefore it was a pleasure to see the British Union Jack hung across a bridge over the motorway as I drove back from the airport. I don’t know why there is a furore regarding our national flags flying.

ETA : painting the flag however, probably not desirable unless done professionally. I could live without that.

TesChique · 25/08/2025 01:33

Shesamaneater · 25/08/2025 01:31

Sounds much like my village OP, we also live near a city, and our main round-a-bout has a flag painted on it. I didnt really understand why until today.. tbh I thought it was football related.. but it looks Bladdy awful. Aside from the blatant racism it shows, it just looks so fkn ugly and tacky. It’s badly painted on for a start, it’s a real shame as our area is considered one of the most beautiful places in the UK.

Yes lets leep this ill thought out practice in the ugly parts at least!!

Plantatreetoday · 25/08/2025 01:34

Shesamaneater · 25/08/2025 01:31

Sounds much like my village OP, we also live near a city, and our main round-a-bout has a flag painted on it. I didnt really understand why until today.. tbh I thought it was football related.. but it looks Bladdy awful. Aside from the blatant racism it shows, it just looks so fkn ugly and tacky. It’s badly painted on for a start, it’s a real shame as our area is considered one of the most beautiful places in the UK.

I’d paint it green
( with permission of course 😊)

Plantatreetoday · 25/08/2025 01:34

TesChique · 25/08/2025 01:33

Yes lets leep this ill thought out practice in the ugly parts at least!!

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Fetaface · 25/08/2025 01:35

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/08/2025 01:31

Yes I know, of course there not afraid of girls or women they're scared of confronting the Muslim men and are willing to throw women and girls of all races under the bus (as usual we come last). Alot of men on the boats come from countries dangerous for women that the authorities warn women against visiting (eg Afghanistan) whilst letting men from those countries run free in our communities even though men from those countries commit many more sex and violent crimes per capita. That is why women have been protesting against the hotels.

The muslim men have already been confronted - they are the same ones raping the white girls.

Absolutely they do not, the majority of sex crimes reported against children are by white british boys.

And the data you talk of is only what is reported, there are significantly more to be reported about all men, so nope men are the problem, men of all nationalities.

Our white men are letting their mates rape and commit sex crimes as they hate women. Odd you think white men are honourable when most are groping women and rubbing their cocks on you at the bar and then intimidating you for saying no.

So tell me, how many white sex offenders are unreported vs non-white sex offenders?

But look...over there....not us!

Women voting for Reform is laughable - Fromage who thinks Andrew Tate is a good example of a man, who supports abusers in his own party and who says women are 'less than' and wants a Trump style system of controlling women's rights.

The turkey does vote for Christmas sometimes eh?

TesChique · 25/08/2025 01:36

Plantatreetoday · 25/08/2025 01:34

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Op's remark about how its doubly a shame bevause she lives in "one of the most beautiful parts of the uk"

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