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AIBU to ask about this whole ‘painting flags on roundabouts’ thing?

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Ticktockk · 24/08/2025 21:05

England flags have appeared all over my nice town, painted on to the mini roundabouts. What kind of a ‘thing’ is this? Is it a Reform thing, a football thing or a ‘proud to be English’ thing?
If it’s a reform thing, WIBU to go down and add “England welcomes you to our country” to all the red crosses?

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Somerford · 28/08/2025 10:29

TinyIsMyNewt · 28/08/2025 03:22

Scenario 1: A specific person claims they were the victim of a crime, and give specific details about it.

Scenario 2: Someone on the internet says that 18 crimes occurred last week, but wont give any details or information about them.

If you genuinely can't see the difference, try to picture the criminal trial for scenario 2. There are no specified victims or defendants, just some person saying "some crimes occurred"...

As to specific instances of rape that have been mentioned (the Guardian link you posted, plus Harrow and Canary Wharf).

  • in the Guardian-reported cases, the victims claim to have been raped by asylum seekers.

  • in the Harrow case, a man claims to have been raped by another man. All that is publicly known about the accused is their name (Bruke Desalagne), age, and that they had no fixed address. People on the internet are claiming (based, seemingly, on the surname being of African origin) that the accused was an illegal immigrant.

  • in the Canary Wharf case, there is no public information about the accused (or even if the victim saw them) and the alleged rapist has not been identified. Some people on the internet as claiming that the rapist must be an illegal immigrant, "because".

I believe all of these incidents very likely occurred. I believe that the ones in the Guardian link involved asylum seekers, because the victims have said as much. In the Harrow and Canary Wharf cases, I neither believe nor disbelieve anything about the immigration status of the accused, because the victims haven't alleged anything about that.

I can see why some people might leap to conclusions based on the surname and homelessness of the accused in the Harrow case - and they could be proven correct. I don't know why anyone, capable of critical thought, would believe the (so far, unidentified) accused in the Canary Wharf incident is an illegal immigrant just because someone on the internet says so.

I don't think i can make it any simpler than my last post on the matter, I'll try but this will be my last attempt at it because its already become repetitive and circular.

On this forum and many like it, there is a tendency for people to reply with "that didn't happen", "where's your evidence", "prove it or you're lying" type responses. In this case, the broad theme is whether the occupants of migrant hotels pose a risk and a danger to the people of the local community and its an argument which has been rumbling on for months on here.

There are more than enough confirmed reports of asylum seekers perpetuating all manner of crimes but if that's not enough, asylum seeking women and children have also reported being sexually assaulted and raped by fellow asylum seekers on a scale which brought the matter to the attention of that well known far right rag, The Guardian. Either we believe these women and children and accept that the occupants of asylum hotels also pose a threat to the local communities, or we don't believe them. Simple. You can have the last word by all means because I can't make it any clearer.

TinyIsMyNewt · 28/08/2025 21:10

Somerford · 28/08/2025 10:29

I don't think i can make it any simpler than my last post on the matter, I'll try but this will be my last attempt at it because its already become repetitive and circular.

On this forum and many like it, there is a tendency for people to reply with "that didn't happen", "where's your evidence", "prove it or you're lying" type responses. In this case, the broad theme is whether the occupants of migrant hotels pose a risk and a danger to the people of the local community and its an argument which has been rumbling on for months on here.

There are more than enough confirmed reports of asylum seekers perpetuating all manner of crimes but if that's not enough, asylum seeking women and children have also reported being sexually assaulted and raped by fellow asylum seekers on a scale which brought the matter to the attention of that well known far right rag, The Guardian. Either we believe these women and children and accept that the occupants of asylum hotels also pose a threat to the local communities, or we don't believe them. Simple. You can have the last word by all means because I can't make it any clearer.

Well, if that's as clear as you can make it, let me try and further clear things up.

There is no data to support that asylum seekers, as a cohort, regularly engage in crimes. The "most damning" statistics available are that, in the period between 2021 and the end of 2024, around 50 of the 32,000 asylum seekers living in hotels had been charged with sexual offences. That's a significantly lower rate than the general population (and, although numbers are not available, that ~50 will include crimes committed against other asylum seekers. For the sake of avoiding bias that supports my position, here's GB News's coverage: https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-crisis-sex-crimes-taxpayer-funded-hotels

So, that makes claims like "asylum seekers committed 18 rapes last week" seem extremely dubious, particularly when the person making the claim wont give any details to back it up.

And, no, there's a world of difference between believing someone who apleges they were a victim of crime vs believing random statements made by random people on the internet (particularly in the absence of supporting evidence).

To use the court example:

  • where women report being victim of a crime by an asylum seeker, their accusation is direct evidence.

* if someone asserts "person A told me XYD", that's hearsay evidence.

  • if someone makes a claim, not based on either direct evidence or even hearsay evidence, it's just a random, unsourced claim.

More than 50 migrants staying in taxpayer funded hotels across Britain accused of sex crimes

Asylum seekers have committed 708 alleged offences since 2021

https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-crisis-sex-crimes-taxpayer-funded-hotels

Merlin3189 · 17/09/2025 21:07

SaltAirAndTheRust · 24/08/2025 21:19

Racists.

They don’t actually care about their communities or they’d be out picking litter, volunteering with community projects and staffing food banks.

I think you'll find that these are the very people who are doing other community projects. They care - about their family, community, country and other people in general. The people who complain about this behaviour are those that keep their heads down and concentrate on their own selfish lives.

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