Husband has extreme right wing views

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Not sure if this is the right place to post as it's not an AIBU but more of I think my husband is being and I'm not sure what to do about it.

He's getting caught up in some quite extreme right wing views in regards to migrants. Complains about how they're coming in, being housed in hotels, paid allowances etc. with no checks and how crime rates such as rape are now ten fold etc. He thinks Trump is great 😪 He's very intelligent so I'm not sure how he's managed to get caught up in this extremist view point.

WWYD?

No, he doesn't, you are right.
What do you think about the 'uneducated Trumpanzees' comment? I find that problematic.

Haha I voted for him

Not great, but I can understand his utter despair at the people who voted for Trump twice. These are dangerous times in which we're not only in the thick of climate change but also edging closer to a potential world war, and Trump lacks the intelligence, integrity and self-awareness to make the right judgement calls at crucial moments.

Extreme right = "I do not agree with immigration (both legal and illegal) I hold prejudice to anyone that doesn't look like they are a UK native and will voice that opinion and act on it if needs be " I am not willing to listen to the other side of the debate and will not be open to suggestions providing information to the contrary.

Unfortunately this fits Trump and his administration like a glove (swap UK for US and add a racial element). Perhaps not all the voters who went with him back in November support this but anyone who still supports him now should know that this is what he stands for.

What was your main reason to vote for him? (genuine question)

Honestly he’s just better on most issues I care about: immigration, staying out of war, lower taxes, trans sanity

Abortion is now a state matter, so only have to consider the context of my home state.

I didn’t vote this time - live in Uk, come from a blue state - but it my visit before the election the COL was insanely different! A coffee shop for an drink and a sandwich set me back 50 dollars (including 20% tip even though they just said my order at the till) I think that was enough to push people to change. A family member told me there grocery bill increased 4x in 2 years. They knew he would necessarily bring costs down but with Harris publicly saying she would donate no different that’s what lost the democrats the election.

I go to the US for family reasons once a year and the jump in food prices was staggering. I remember the days when everything in the US was cheaper than Europe 🙈 and I returned with heaving bags

I do know - being a regular visitor, maybe 4-5 times a year, I can confirm that from 2021-24 the price of food went crazy. I even had a couple of interesting convos with my boss at the time to show him my TJ receipts (my travel budget didn't go up so I had to opt for less dining out, only essential business entertaining and apartments instead of hotels). Having said that, I genuinely fail to see how the tariffs are going to help address the cost of living. Some larger importers might be able to absorb some of the customs bills but logically a lot is going to be passed on to the consumers. 100% of the tariffs will be paid in the US, be that by importers and/or consumers.

To your reasons - thanks for sharing, and you have those in common with the Republicans I personally know (because yes, I do know Republicans!). I think the divide is pretty fundamentally about whether you believe the end justifies the means and whether you are happy with the price to pay:

Immigration - sure, the numbers are going down but that comes with talented people worrying about coming to the US, and most crucially, with due process and rule of law being undermined. I am not comfortable with that approach. It's up to US voters to decide, but I see the MAGA influence on Reform making the same proposal to the electorate and I could not subscribe to it, ever.

Staying out of war - again at what cost? Maybe Ukraine is mostly a European issue but is alienating European allies worth it? Is it wise in the long term? Will it ensure peace in the world (I don't think so)? And purely from a US point of view, is undermining US influence internationally a good thing for the country's interest? Also, if Trump is so keen on staying out of war, why the inflammatory rhetoric on Canada, Greenland etc. (although we haven't heard that in a while)

Lower taxes - for whom and at what cost to the most vulnerable?

I think a lot of people voted for change. Just as they did here. Did people really think that Labour were going to magically fix things? Labour have been awful but I don’t personally blame voters for voting Labour - they had very little choice. In America the choice is even more binary as there are really only two options.

I think international people also forget that when you are voting you are voting for who runs your state too. As I said I am from a ‘traditional’ blue state but it has been so badly run by democrats that the margins were much smaller than usual.

And as for some of trump’s absolute crap about places like Canada… I genuinely think sometimes it’s a smoke screen. I don’t think he liked Pierre Polieve so he made inflammatory comments which ultimately fanned the flames to help carney

What is it about thousands of undocumented young men who have abandoned their wives and children being put up in hotels that you think is so marvellous, OP?

Due process is really just, did you check their paperwork? I think it’s a misnomer that it’s called ‘immigration courts’ they aren’t actually courts and immigration judges aren’t actually part of the judicial system—it’s all through the executive branch.

As for missing top tier talent, they aren’t found skipping the border. We have O-1 visas for truly top tier talent. H1Bs used to be kind of like this, but now are pretty useless for that purpose, I think it’s gonna be axed soon.

Sometimes I think Trump’s tweets are a bit cringe foreign policy-wise but I guess I just don’t think Ukraine is something we should be getting involved in. I know it’s hard for Europeans to hear that. But most of us really don’t care. (And I ofc don’t think we’re gonna go to war for Canada or Greenland. Wouldn’t be averse to buying Greenland if possible!)

And I’m just for lower taxes in general. I think government intervention in health and housing have lead to inflation, market based solutions are better imho.

But EBT cards seem like a low-cost way to help those truly in poverty, and WIC has always been great for this too.

Speaking from the US, many of them now are. There's a large contingency of Trump supporters who unilaterally believe whatever Trump/his administration tells them, so their belief system is as mercurial as his. Trump has been very pro Putin and now we have folks following that lead. We even have Trump supporters who now believe that we were on the wrong side in WWII, and that slavery was not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not well abreast of right leaning politics in England but based on the commentary on this post, it doesn't sound like Farage and Trump are espousing the same rhetoric.

I think Farage is more careful than Trump to stay just on the "respectable" side of the line - comparable to say Marine Le Pen in France. He is not in power yet...

Obviously many in this thread may disagree that "the line" is where Farage has drawn it, but he clearly is very carefully calibrating his comments to where the right-wing side of the Overton window is. And adjusting that on the fly.

For example, making a point of distancing himself from Tommy Robinson despite pressure from his base; the split from Rupert Lowe a few months ago over "remigration", although happy this week to talk about mass deportations of a limited set of people.

I've always thought it must be quite challenging to walk that tightrope! You have to be very confident you can read the room despite a lot of angry signals in all directions.

I'm rather disgusted by some of the language used in this thread, yours included. Brininging my children into this is waaay below the belt. And even if I did leave, they'd still see their father so I cannot see anyones point on that. It's just spireful.

Youve clearly not read my updates either. I admitted that I used the wrong language.

But, I want to clarify the following:

I haven't been back for a while because, after some reflection and reading the replies from many of you, I realised my husbands views aren't that uncommon right now. I realised 'extreme' is considered to be someone hating all non-white people and being racist. My husband is not. He is fearful of allowing unregistered men into our country that have grown up in an entirely different country where their values regarding women and crime in general are worrying. And I can see why from some of the more thoughtful responders that didn't just call LTB and presented me with facts etc. It's worrying times for us all and I suppose something does need to change as we cannot continue the way things are. I still disagree with the people racially abusing others and generally are being 'extreme' in their views and actions.

Op I hope your post has shown bandying about terms like ‘extreme right wing’ is an incredibly dangerous accusation to put on someone

your user name is help me understand politics so you can take steps to give yourself more understanding. Personally I find newspapers like the daily mail and the guardian equally nauseating in their respective echo chambers and read the times which I know comes with a price. There are also podcasts, and things like times radio where you can start to get some insights into current events and listen to some opinion pieces. I like the spectator podcast as they are equally scathing of everyone

But it’s unfair to tar all male asylum seekers with the same brush because of their race/religion. Anyone that works with refugees/asylums seekers will tell you they are genuine.

41% of the far right have convictions for domestic violence. When they’re protesting for the safety of women they are hypocrites.

I remember a reporter talking to a protester when the riots were going on. Asked why he was protesting said they take all our jobs I can’t get a job. Then said I’ve got a criminal record for assault. Those that live local to him knew he was jailed for CSA. But he missed that bit out and he won’t be the only one. Don’t get me started on the so called parents who take their children to the protests.

What you have just said is that they are ALL genuine.. can you guarantee that?

this is what I see happens

1. asylum seekers come in. We are told they are all genuine, they pose no threat.
2. an attack happens, rape sexual assault ect because this does happen - fact!
3. people question how this was allowed to happen. Those that question are called racists bigots ect ect
4. some may become angry that their legitimate concerns are not being listened to… anger boils over

what I wish politicians would do is tell the truth and just say thing - asylum seekers coming in may pose a threat but most are here for legitimate reason. We will do EVERYTHING in our power to keep the threat away from the public, do background checks, deport criminals, deport those who do not integrate ect ect. Some will be be rapists and peadophiles because they exist in every walk of life. Most are not. But we acknowledge that there are bad ones and we will make every effort to weed them out. Why is that so hard to say?

41% have a domestic violence conviction. What a statistic that is.

But can you fact check it?

Incredible statistic, yes. It makes no sense whatsoever. For it to be to true, you'd have to know exactly how many people could reasonably considered "far right" and you'd need to know the identities of them all before you could arrive at a conclusion as to what percentage have a conviction for anything at all.

Yes this statistic is utter bollocks… especially as no one can agree what the far right is!

the most similar statistic I can find is the 2 in 5 people arrested during the riots last year already had a previous conviction. So thugs were already thugs! Hardly rocket science.

but to ‘tar everyone with the same brush’ as the pp is so keen for others not to do about asylum seekers is exactly what she is trying to do. she is basically saying if you have questions about immigration you have a 41% chance of being a wife beater.

@Somerford @Sussexswain

I hadn’t, but then tbf it’s also not my statistic.

I’m unsure how you’d clarify it either. Perhaps 41% of arrested DV culprits are also far right, or 41% of known far right activists are also convicted of DV?

Truthfully - no idea.

But if the premise is that people who are likely to set hotels on fire also have violent tendencies at home, I’d say that adds up.

This will be where (when image loads).

Approx 368 of the 899 had previous for “intimate partner violence.”

BRB while I fall over with shock.