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Husband has got extreme views

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UnsureDifferences · 24/08/2025 01:29

Name change on this to protect myself and family.
So my DH has over the past few years got more and more what I would call extreme views. He is into conspiracy theories, it started off by watching a few videos and being curious and now he full thinks that the illuminati are out to enslave us and talks about the earth being flat, which he is not sure about but goes on about it.
He is also fearful of immigration and is saying he will go on the marches and that we are being take over and that we need to be prepared.
I am an easy going educated person who leans slightly left and believes in science.
This is really getting me down as I am not sure I can be with him anymore if this is who he is now.
Aibu to leave him for having these different views. Or is it managable to continue on.
One part of me thinks it is similar to two people of different faiths being married, is this possible? Has anyone had a good relationship with someone with opposite political or religious views to them?
Any ideas as to what to do here.
Everything else is fine in our relationship

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glassesandbeer · 24/08/2025 12:29

Solo · 24/08/2025 12:09

Just out of interest, do the people you work with know you're atheist?

What on earth makes you think one can't be an atheist RE teacher? I have a masters in religion. We had openly atheist lecturers. Openly atheist students like myself.

It absolutely baffles me that people think religion is the one area of human life and experience that one cannot study unless you are an adherent. No one thinks you have to be a Nazi to study Nazi Germany. No one thinks you need to be Chinese to study China. No one thinks you need to be an integer to study maths.

So why this weird blind spot that you need to be religious to study religion?

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:30

Beachtastic · 24/08/2025 12:26

I'm giggling at what the lessons must look like! "Don't believe any of this crap" (tosses books aside). Now let's read some Isaac Asimov 🌞

That doesn't make any sense. If the teacher is Hindu are they saying don't believe the crap they put into lessons for all the other religions, or if they are Christian are they saying the others are all crap. The teachers aren't there to promote their own religious brand, it is educate about the others.

JHound · 24/08/2025 12:30

Slimtoddy · 24/08/2025 11:46

@JHound why do you think it's worse?!

Somebody deciding to have faith in something absent hard evidence is one thing. Somebody stridently ignoring actual visual evidence to me is quite another.

JHound · 24/08/2025 12:33

bumblingbovine49 · 24/08/2025 12:03

As to people saying that believing the world is flat is like a religious belief or a belief in God. It really is not. Science and satellite imagery have absolutely proved without doubt the earth is not flat. There is no 'belief' needed.

In religion most people accept there is no proof one way or another. The whole point of most religions is that they are about faith in certain ideas not about certainty, and the action of choosing to accept that faith says something about you.

It is in no way the same as saying the earth is flat. That is more like saying you believe that breatharians actually exist ( people who live on air and don't need food or water to live )

^^This.

Hence why I have less tolerance for flat earthers than religious folk.

JHound · 24/08/2025 12:36

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:25

The people who believe in bible stories do it inconsistently and selectively. The bible is much more keen on stoning people to death for almost anything. At least people who think the world is flat do so consistently.

I'm not sure the flat earthers have ever started a war to expand their faith.

Ok. Not relevant to my point.

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:38

bumblingbovine49 · 24/08/2025 12:03

As to people saying that believing the world is flat is like a religious belief or a belief in God. It really is not. Science and satellite imagery have absolutely proved without doubt the earth is not flat. There is no 'belief' needed.

In religion most people accept there is no proof one way or another. The whole point of most religions is that they are about faith in certain ideas not about certainty, and the action of choosing to accept that faith says something about you.

It is in no way the same as saying the earth is flat. That is more like saying you believe that breatharians actually exist ( people who live on air and don't need food or water to live )

Er no the whole point of organised religion was a way to keep people in line in a world where communication was harder. It is easier to be king when you get the world to believe that you are there because its "Gods" will. They're just an outdated power systems. Before the Christian God was invented it was Zeus or Ra.

Beachtastic · 24/08/2025 12:41

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:30

That doesn't make any sense. If the teacher is Hindu are they saying don't believe the crap they put into lessons for all the other religions, or if they are Christian are they saying the others are all crap. The teachers aren't there to promote their own religious brand, it is educate about the others.

I was commenting on a PP asking another PP (an "atheist RS teacher") whether their colleagues knew s/he was atheist.

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:42

JHound · 24/08/2025 12:36

Ok. Not relevant to my point.

You have no point. Both believe in fiction. There is no evidence for a flat earth, there is no evidence for any gods. We can see the world is round, we can see there is not "god". Both are at least the same. But I think one is worse because it uses that fiction to drive hatred and war.

Datafan55 · 24/08/2025 12:44

JLou08 · 24/08/2025 10:39

That goes a lot further than sharing your views with your family. Not all gender critical people are joining baying mobs against trans people. Not all Christians are protesting outside abortion clinics. Many people with extreme views are just quietly getting on with a normal life.

Almost no GC people are joining baying mobs against trans people!

Datafan55 · 24/08/2025 12:51

FollowSpot · 24/08/2025 10:30

Going on a ‘march’ against migrants in hotels would do it for me. The demos outside the hotels.

That is not expressing a political opinion, it is designed to target and intimidate migrants. Couldn’t be in the same house as someone so vicious. Someone prepared to be in a crowd, some of whom, as we have seen, are prepared to set fire to buildings that have people inside.

For heavens sake. It doesn't follow that because some of them 'are prepared to set fire to buildings that have people inside', everyone on the march does. I'd be there saying 'stop that', phoning 999 on them, and/or avoiding them. The others ARE there for a political opinion.

Merkins · 24/08/2025 12:53

Sounds like he’s reached the, “Detached from reality” section of the Conspiracy Pyramid, sadly. I’m not sure even a psychiatrist could get through to people who are that far gone. I couldn’t live with it.

Husband has got extreme views
Beachtastic · 24/08/2025 13:05

Merkins · 24/08/2025 12:53

Sounds like he’s reached the, “Detached from reality” section of the Conspiracy Pyramid, sadly. I’m not sure even a psychiatrist could get through to people who are that far gone. I couldn’t live with it.

Ha, that's brilliant!

It was a bit hard to read your image so I looked it up

https://conspiracychart.com/

The Conspiracy Chart 2021

https://conspiracychart.com

nomas · 24/08/2025 13:32

UnsureDifferences · 24/08/2025 01:34

Yes, but he gets very frustrated and tells me he can respect that I have an opinion but I am wrong and he is right. He will not change what he thinks whatever I say. So we cant debate the topics as he feels that I am 'brainwashed' and I think he is ridiculous.

Life is too short to live like this.

Leave him.

Baital · 24/08/2025 13:33

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:42

You have no point. Both believe in fiction. There is no evidence for a flat earth, there is no evidence for any gods. We can see the world is round, we can see there is not "god". Both are at least the same. But I think one is worse because it uses that fiction to drive hatred and war.

It depends on how you define God. As an atheist, I acknowledge i can't prove there isn't a God(depending how 'god' is defined). You can't prove a negative. So of course i may be wrong.

On the other hand, you can.prove the earth is round. And the Bible is not the literal truth - though if it is an allegory then literal truth isn't relevant.

Themaghag · 24/08/2025 13:33

WatermelonGatorJerky · 24/08/2025 03:03

I’m sure much of what a conspiracy theorist says is just that. Conspiracy. Falsehoods. Misunderstanding and Lies.

But how do we really know? We think one thing and many years on learn that we were hoodwinked. MKUltra for example.

There are indeed government secrets, classified information and much we don’t or can’t know about the world we are living in. We are gaslit and fed information to better control the population and there is such a thing as behaviour change, which is a method used to enforce or encourage societal behaviour change, as well as social engineering. So maybe your husband is right and you are wrong. Who knows.

Another thing is that for many people, Covid and the way it was dealt with broke trust in authority. That opened the door to conspiracy theories gaining traction, spurred on by social media.

All I can say is that I like to think events like 911 were awful terrorist attacks and nothing closer to home. I like to believe we are told the truth about things that are important. But if I find out in 50 years that some conspiracy theories held merit, well, I doubt I’d be that surprised.

And without irrefutable proof one way or another, I find it hard to hold someone else with alternative views in such contempt as you do op. I personally would simply not engage or feign mild interest and ignore. But to consider divorce suggests a level of intolerance, that is quite typical of the left leaning these days.

I don't agree with this at all. It's not really the views that are the problem it is the accompanying obsession and the 'no debate' attitude that is the real issue. It's like two people of different political persuasions discussing the relative merits of the parties they support. Each knows that they won't change the other's mind, but once the discussion is over, they can think, talk about and engage in other things together without rancour, because at the end of it, politics only plays a small part in their daily lives. However, with the conspiracy theorists, their ideas engulf them and colour every aspect of their lives, the way they live and how they communicate with others.

My friend's adult son has gone down this path and conspiracies are the only thing he can think about or talk about and he is always coming up with new and outlandish theories in relation to things that are happening nationally and internationally. He won't brook any argument and becomes angry when people don't agree with him. I think he has obvious mental health issues that are exacerbated by the fact that he lives alone and WFH and is thus quite isolated. His views and attitudes also make it difficult for him to make friends with anyone who doesn't share his obsessions.

I certainly couldn't live with someone like this OP - it's impossible to have a proper relationship with someone who prioritises their crazy theories over everyone and everything else. I would suggest to him that he must see a doctor and try to unpick what's really behind all of this. If he won't, or can't, then I really would consider leaving him as soon as is viable, because without some sort of intervention this really won't get any better.

FollowSpot · 24/08/2025 13:37

Datafan55 · 24/08/2025 12:51

For heavens sake. It doesn't follow that because some of them 'are prepared to set fire to buildings that have people inside', everyone on the march does. I'd be there saying 'stop that', phoning 999 on them, and/or avoiding them. The others ARE there for a political opinion.

Then why are they outside the buildings where migrants are housed rather than outside parliament?

Of course I realise that the majority of demonstrators are not set on homicidal arson, but gathering and chanting outside the accommodation targets the migrants awaiting assessment and must obviously be intimidating.

That is turning a political opinion into intimidating behaviour.

Do you march on hotels and stand outside chanting at the occupants?

And sometimes there are marched on Parliament. A couple of years ago I was in Central London when R Wing groups were ‘defending the Cenotaph’. Against what I’m not sure, but all the stations were full of men in aggressive groups, blocking roads, grunting chants at non white families. Didn’t make me feel they were defending or protecting my country.

Datafan55 · 24/08/2025 13:42

FollowSpot · 24/08/2025 13:37

Then why are they outside the buildings where migrants are housed rather than outside parliament?

Of course I realise that the majority of demonstrators are not set on homicidal arson, but gathering and chanting outside the accommodation targets the migrants awaiting assessment and must obviously be intimidating.

That is turning a political opinion into intimidating behaviour.

Do you march on hotels and stand outside chanting at the occupants?

And sometimes there are marched on Parliament. A couple of years ago I was in Central London when R Wing groups were ‘defending the Cenotaph’. Against what I’m not sure, but all the stations were full of men in aggressive groups, blocking roads, grunting chants at non white families. Didn’t make me feel they were defending or protecting my country.

Edited

Some of us find it easier to get to the buildings rather than Parliament as they are local to us: that is the whole point.

No one wants to scare the individuals inside. I'd prefer anything to be elsewhere for that reason. But many people there - or their kids - have found the immigrants to be intimidating previously. And the protests started at the hotels because locals were protesting at a resident at the Bell attacking a teenage girl.

FollowSpot · 24/08/2025 13:45

Datafan55 · 24/08/2025 13:42

Some of us find it easier to get to the buildings rather than Parliament as they are local to us: that is the whole point.

No one wants to scare the individuals inside. I'd prefer anything to be elsewhere for that reason. But many people there - or their kids - have found the immigrants to be intimidating previously. And the protests started at the hotels because locals were protesting at a resident at the Bell attacking a teenage girl.

Edited

So you are there to intimidate, or you don’t care, or you believe in tit for tat, intimidating all the residents because of individuals…

You could write to your MP. Demonstrate outside yourTown Hall.

Why do you think these events are planned outside the hotels rather than outside the agencies in control?

Slimtoddy · 24/08/2025 13:46

@RhaenysRocks My experience growing up in a religious family/society exposed me to quite rigid factual thinking around Christianity. I saw very little of the nuanced, intellectually humble approach you describe. People I knew believed as literal fact that Jesus existed, that God existed, that Jesus was the son of God, that the Bible was a factual historical account. They were presented and believed as absolute facts - not up for debate. And I saw the consequences of this approach to religion. Admittedly I think the approach in the UK is more nuanced.

Datafan55 · 24/08/2025 13:48

FollowSpot · 24/08/2025 13:45

So you are there to intimidate, or you don’t care, or you believe in tit for tat, intimidating all the residents because of individuals…

You could write to your MP. Demonstrate outside yourTown Hall.

Why do you think these events are planned outside the hotels rather than outside the agencies in control?

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I have already written to my MP and got nowhere.
Happy to be outside town hall/council though.

Abitofalark · 24/08/2025 14:37

Emptyandsad · 24/08/2025 12:15

I wonder what he imagines a world without the police would be like.

I remember the much-respected Benjamin Zephaniah arguing that society would be better off disbanding the police and letting the community deal with crime. While I understood his distrust of the police, I'm not sure the days before the police were better for anyone, with mob lynching, witch trials, stonings etc

They're not perfect but they're the best we've got

You're bang on the money. He should have informed himself of what life was really like in days before we had a police force as we've known it in our lifetime. Your comment reminded me of a book, 'The Maul and the Pear Tree', about a series of murders in 1811, which gives a vivid sense of conditions then. Scary times indeed.

JHound · 24/08/2025 14:41

Bumblebee72 · 24/08/2025 12:42

You have no point. Both believe in fiction. There is no evidence for a flat earth, there is no evidence for any gods. We can see the world is round, we can see there is not "god". Both are at least the same. But I think one is worse because it uses that fiction to drive hatred and war.

Ok.

RhaenysRocks · 24/08/2025 15:22

Solo · 24/08/2025 12:09

Just out of interest, do the people you work with know you're atheist?

Yep. We have many an interesting debate.

RhaenysRocks · 24/08/2025 15:28

Slimtoddy · 24/08/2025 13:46

@RhaenysRocks My experience growing up in a religious family/society exposed me to quite rigid factual thinking around Christianity. I saw very little of the nuanced, intellectually humble approach you describe. People I knew believed as literal fact that Jesus existed, that God existed, that Jesus was the son of God, that the Bible was a factual historical account. They were presented and believed as absolute facts - not up for debate. And I saw the consequences of this approach to religion. Admittedly I think the approach in the UK is more nuanced.

I can't speak for all adherents to every religion. Of course there are many who are rigid and uncompromising. That doesn't mean "the religion" is such or that the holy book IS one thing or another. It's a very interesting area of study ...to what extent is a personal faith ones own interpretation of a particular set of ideas and how far can you go from the approved doctrine before tipping into "error".